Also, your disagreeing comment about the values i learned with fighting back.. well i mean i have my own personal experiences to disagree with you. But on the same token, I fully understand where you are coming from on your views of this too. What I learned is, fists were the only way to get these fuckers to stop. And once it resorted to that, after it was said and done, no more fights or harassmenmt. They'd leave me alone, and after that, there was no problems, i didn't seek them out to whoop em again, i don't like violence (hard to believe with what i've been preaching here i know) But I really don't like violence. I don't like getting attacked, and I don't like having to fight back, if there's another option, I'll take that first trust me. And the only reason why I'll go to fists with someone now, is the same reason why I'd go to fists with a bully as a kid. If that's the only way to communicate to this asshole to leave me the fuck alone, then so be it. I'll go to fists with the goal that this is gonna settle the dispute and prevent any further incidences between me and the person.
And sometimes bullies do learn, when other kids saw me stand up against one kid when a whole class room was against me, they ALL backed down.. no one wanted to be next to get stabbed with a #2 pencil. And others that were being bullied by that kid well.. by me kicking his ass... he didn't look so scary anymore to the other kids he bullied, and soon they were standing up to him. Within a week his whole attitude in school changed and he was actually sucking up to the ones he used to bully to be friends.
6th grade, we turned out to be really cool friends actually. But that's kinda just how guys are, we hate each other, we fight, then ironicly, we become buddies. Guy was pretty cool, had a really shit homelife though so I did feel for him. But once he learned to actually talk to other kids, he got the communication he needed and wasn't getting at home and honestly.. the kids grades improved, he loved school, and got to set up his own values in life instead of venting his frustrations on other kids making his school life hell for himself.