McCain picks Alaska gov as running mate.

[phee]

I realize that much psychology goes into a law education...but learning and understanding criminal psychology is much different then learning and understanding social psychology.

Tending to an apple tree is different from tending grape vines...but their both fruit.

She didn't say she was going into criminal law....

[Rev.Reverence]

I mean... I hate to talk about issues and all...

But isn't that the issue that gets people killed to begin with? God saying "Go kill these people for me?"

Need I remind you all..... the Nazi party was a Religious movement?

[Rev.Reverence]

I don't know about her school's cirriculum, but mine does.. I don't think anyone but us law students (and alumni) realize how much Psychology is actually tied into a law education.

Yup... all things are quite tied together.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

She didn't say she was going into criminal law....

point taken....but stating your a law major, or taking law school in general, doesn't necessarily mean that you understand social psychology...I believe that one of the "specialist" fields, like Criminal Law, Political Law, or Enviromental Law.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

may I have the source you are getting this from...I have yet to see anything that states they are immune to the enforcement of prosecution while serving a term.

Sure, the Internet. I did a simple search on google and read the first 3 pages of results. The few times it has actually come up in history... they finished thier terms. There were also court cases that set precedence or clarified existing laws that said the Judiciary Branch has no authority to keep someone in the Executive or Legislative branch from doing the duties of their office.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Mentioning God and her faith...thats fine...more then expected...but "God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,"...comon....God's will is to build a gas line???

not end world hunger....work towards world peace...hell...not even working towards ending domestic violence or sheltering the homeless..

No, ladies and gentlemen...God's name is now Exxon-Mobil...and his will is that we all come together and build a gas line....go forth with wrench in hand, in the name of our lord, Exxon-Mobil....Amen.

Did she at some point say that those are not part of God's will?

Doesn;t God want us to be fruitful and multiply? happy and prosperous?

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Sure, the Internet. I did a simple search on google and read the first 3 pages of results. The few times it has actually come up in history... they finished thier terms. There were also court cases that set precedence or clarified existing laws that said the Judiciary Branch has no authority to keep someone in the Executive or Legislative branch from doing the duties of their office.

thanks gaf....mind actually posting a link, because I have searched "Vice Presidental Protection from Prosecution"...and only came up with the fact that former vice presidents of the US will be getting Secret Service for the rest of their lives....so an actual link might help.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

point taken....but stating your a law major, or taking law school in general, doesn't necessarily mean that you understand social psychology...I believe that one of the "specialist" fields, like Criminal Law, Political Law, or Enviromental Law.

you beleive... but do you know?

Do you know you have to know general law before you can get a specialized degree? Do you know you have to understand People before you will ever understand Law?

but more to the point...

You are telling two law students that you know more about becoming a Lawyer than they do.

Where did you get your law degree? and what do you specilize in?

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Did she at some point say that those are not part of God's will?

Doesn;t God want us to be fruitful and multiply? happy and prosperous?

she didn't bother to mention them either....and there are MANY, MANY ways that the HUMAN RACE can be Happy, Prosperous, and Fruitful rather then the U.S. Itself getting a giant pipeline.

cuz I could have SWORN that when God said to be fruitful and multiply, that it was in regards to EVERYONE, not just to a society that was FAR off from becoming a thought at that point.

Go with Exxon-Mobil, Amen.....

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

you beleive... but do you know?

Do you know you have to know general law before you can get a specialized degree? Do you know you have to understand People before you will ever understand Law?

but more to the point...

You are telling two law students that you know more about becoming a Lawyer than they do.

Where did you get your law degree? and what do you specilize in?

I'm sorry....did I say that I know about becoming a lawyer then either of them do??....*looks around*...nope...can't see it....Gaf, are you wearing the same glasses that tell you what is and is not a sexist statement??...*shakes head*...those need to back to optometrist, they don't seem to be working properly. Once again, you have taken something I NEVER said...and tried to do your best to make me look like a complete ass. Gaf, there is a reason that Robert DeNiro was chosen as the Spin Doctor in "Wag the Dog"...he was much better at pretending to be a something that you are TRYING to be.

I said that I BELIEVE that to have a unique understanding of the complexities of social law, apart from the basics you are taught, there was a field for that. Just because someone attends, or even graduates, law school means that they are completely certified in one of the specialty fields of law that say, an Enviromental Lawyer, or Military Lawyer, would be, does it??

A woman isn't going to go to a Pediatrician and ask him if her Vagina looks ok...there are OGBYN's for that....I'm not going to go to an Enviromental Lawyer for for a lawsuit against a band because they didn't play the full time stated on their contract...because there are Entertainment Lawyers for that.

I'm not saying that taking basic law classes won't give you a good idea of social law and social psychology, but to understand it to the greatest extent available, you would need to take classes in that particular field.

Gaf...please...stop misconstruding and mis-understanding everything I say....Everything I have said is actually rather black in white...and you, and some others, tend to like to bring buckets of purple and brown paint to the party. If you are unable to comprehend exactly what I am saying...try asking for a clarification before you accuse.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yes, yes you did.

You had two people going to law school tell you that they do infact learn social psychology as part of the basics of a law degree.... and you are still arguing that they are wrong.

Just because you write something out in bright bold black and white easy to read language.. does not mean it right.

Issues as complicated as this are NOT as simple as black and white. There is a whole fucking lot of grey in there... and a splash of just about every other color.

Your opinion is not FACT.

You have been proven wrong on almost every thing you have posted about Palin. You wont admit it, but that doesn't change how wrong you are. I think it's because you never read past the first paragraph. I have had at least one comment from someone that they think you only read headlines.

You really want to bring up your sexism? Maybe you don't realize just how sexist you are.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Yes, yes you did.

You had two people going to law school tell you that they do infact learn social psychology as part of the basics of a law degree.... and you are still arguing that they are wrong.

Just because you write something out in bright bold black and white easy to read language.. does not mean it right.

Issues as complicated as this are NOT as simple as black and white. There is a whole fucking lot of grey in there... and a splash of just about every other color.

Your opinion is not FACT.

You have been proven wrong on almost every thing you have posted about Palin. You wont admit it, but that doesn't change how wrong you are. I think it's because you never read past the first paragraph. I have had at least one comment from someone that they think you only read headlines.

You really want to bring up your sexism? Maybe you don't realize just how sexist you are.

check it out, Charlie Muphy....I'm about to tell you the punchline to "what did the five fingers say to the face?"

I don't mention my opinion...because my opinion would be that I don't think that any of them are fit to lead this country....my top personal choices, Rudy Guiliani and John Edwards, dropped out....what I stated is facts based on the social psychology of this country in general.

Secondly...I told you to get your glasses checked....since you don't seem to get that done.

here is the quote that you seemed to have such a problem with.

"point taken....but stating your a law major, or taking law school in general, doesn't necessarily mean that you understand social psychology...I believe that one of the "specialist" fields, like Criminal Law, Political Law, or Enviromental Law."

umm...lemme see...ahh...yes...stating that your a law major, or taking law school in general, doesn't necessarily mean that you understand social psychology, even at it's base level....yeah...thats TRUE...taking a class in something doesn't mean that you understand it..which is why some students drop classes. Also...having a degree in something doesn't always mean you understand everything you took in those classes to GET the degree.

now...hold on while I get my Tennis Racket....there...ready?

"Just because you write something out in bright bold black and white easy to read language.. does not mean it right."

*whack*....right back atcha. In fact...I ADORE how Fin hit you with a uppercut on the "Granholm-Palin" bit...that was great...specailly since you where trying to show how AMAZING Palin is with Foreign Policy, in an effort to show how great she will be as VP....and Fin comes across with the fact that Granholm has at least twice the amount of Expieriance dealing with foreign countries...as well as twice the exp in general.

"You have been proven wrong on almost every thing you have posted about Palin. You wont admit it, but that doesn't change how wrong you are."

Really??....she admits to the pressure put onto Montegan, from her administration, I have read SEVERAL ALASKAN based articles regarding the mess with the Dairy Creamery....so I have been wrong on almost everything about Palin???

"I think it's because you never read past the first paragraph. I have had at least one comment from someone that they think you only read headlines."

Ohhh...I see now...thanks...YOUR opinions, and the opinions of the rest of your troop that have a lack of compehesion skills.....THOSE opinions are ok and are EXACTLY how this country is....but when someone makes statements based on FACTS from the social psychology of this country, and what is currently presented in much of our entertainment (which, in case you didn't know...holds a good amount of influence to what the American Public thinks, and therefore effecting their descisions)...you try to make it look like their trying to hit a pin'ata with a screwdriver.

"You really want to bring up your sexism? Maybe you don't realize just how sexist you are."

*claps*..ohh gaf...please...please, please, please....do tell me how sexist I am??...please...I need to learn how I'm such a sexist from the man that called Sarah Palin a Milf. Seems like your a real expert on that....aren't ya.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OMG.. I am so hurt by your great wit.

you know the difference between Fin and you?

Fin makes good points. Fin doesn't insert insults and ego into the posts they make. This would be so much easier if I had a clue to whether Fin was male or female... not knowing makes it hard to refer to them.

the real difference though.. Fin has conversations with people. Fin didn't discount completely Palin's experience just because it was somewhat counter to her statements... she just stated the Granholm had more.

Do you know what the word Almost means? Do you realize how many things you have accused Palin of that have been shot down. Out of all the accusations you have made, you get two kinda right... The words "wrong on almost every thing you have posted about Palin" are accurate. Even the two you are bragging that you got right... are only right if we ignore all the facts and public records that are available. Somehow you miss the parts of the articles where the admission was made that no one ever said that they wanted Wooten fired. And writing that dairy off as a total loss would have been so much better than recouping $1.5 million.

I was trying to give you at least some credit. Truthfully though, I should not have used the word almost. You are wrong. Deal with it.

The fact the Rudy Guiliani and John Edwards both had so little support from the people that they had to drop out of the race early on... I think that kinda says that they could not connect with the people on any level. So I am not sure why you think they are such a perfect fit from a social psychology point of view.

As for my sexism... Yep, I think she is a damn fine looking woman. I don't think that her looks will detract or add to her ability to do her Job. I don't think that as a woman the job will be any harder for her unless she has to deal with people like you who have issues with powerfull women. I also think that that Obama is a damn fine looking man.

On that note.. I always thought Bill Clinton was a damn good looking man. Granholm aint so bad either...

[SaGa]

This would be so much easier if I had a clue to whether Fin was male or female...

fin is a unisex. he just likes being a guy at city club. j/k fin you know we all love you

[TitsMcGee]

and you need to stop making own personal attacks....you've attacked me for stating social views and pointing out that there are quite a few flaws and dents in Palin's "amazing" record. I have stated several times that I think there are BETTER FEMALE choices out there for VP, but I still stand by the fact that this country is not socially ready for a woman to be president. I have also stated that I think that a VP female nominee is a step in the right direction.

You also seem to have no problem with someone running around calling her a "Milf" but the moment someone says that this country isn't socially ready for a female to run it...you jump down my throat. Either be against ALL Sexism against women....or take the piece of white pickett hypocritical fence out of your ass, stick it between your teeth, bite down real hard...and STFU!!!

First off....all your law studies won't give you jack in social psychology and hidden influence....so don't wave your law around like you know why or how something is happening when it comes to media, mass influence, and what this country is socially ready for, based on that.

Secondly...All stuff about the coke, land deals, and such HAVE been brought up....I don't feel that their right in bringing up the Drunk Driving case of Todd Palin's from 22 years....but thats the media's choice..I choose to ignore that for the more SERIOUS stuff....like her possable abuse of power and the fact that she is suddenly retracting statements that she stood so firm on.

Third..I have NEVER said anything about Obama being a clean slate. Infact, I have asked Gaf why there WASN'T a Joe Biden thread on this board. I have never...EVER...stated that Obama was some "great white hope"...but is this country more socially ready to accept a president of a different skin color then a president of a different gender??...ABSOLUTLEY. I NEVER said that it HAD to be Obama....in fact there is several things I don't like about him....but this country IS more socially ready for a President of a different race then we are a woman president....or a homosexual president...or anything else that you want to try and toss around.

so yes....go back to fucking class....bury your nose in a book....and give your piss-poor hatred a rest.....because it is MORE THEN OBVIOUS that you have little to no idea what this country is and is not socially ready for in terms of it's leadership.

As per the MILF issue, I never stated my opinion on that, but you didn't bother to look. As for being a law major, I have taken an ass load of psych classes due to personal interest, enough of them that if I wanted to I could have gotten my AA in psychology. So take your own advice.

[Guest greyhalo]

I find it amusing how GFP thinks that anyone who doesn't agree with him is part of Gaf's "troop" or is a "follower" of Gaf.

There are definitely some intelligent folks on this board who can think for themselves and form their own opinions--whether they be regarding the presidential race or anything else for that matter.

GFP--Your opinion isn't the only one that counts. You debate well at times and make some excellent points, but can you pelase be a bit more of a gentleman?

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

As per the MILF issue, I never stated my opinion on that, but you didn't bother to look. As for being a law major, I have taken an ass load of psych classes due to personal interest, enough of them that if I wanted to I could have gotten my AA in psychology. So take your own advice.

I actually did notice that you never took a stand on the "milf" subject...but were rather vehemant on my point of social psychology. As you took no stand on it, the most common conclusion is that you didn't care if the term was used.

I do understand that there are psych classes to take with Law classes...but I am going to ask you if you follow my point that JUST because someone takes a class, doesn't mean they understand it, or that someone taking a specialty in a field is more equipped in that particular field then a general degree in the subject. I'm not, at this point, stating that you DON'T understand psychology in general, but I still hold question to your understanding of social psychology, which is, I'm sure you know, the understanding of the masses as a whole, and the impact and influence of certian things on the human psyche...or at least thats how it was explained to me with the classes I had to take. I am making this statement as an overall statement that covers almost everyone in school now or has been a college grad.

As for you Gaf...I PLEAD for you to find and point out the EXACT words I ever used that said that being a woman would effect the physical and mental ability to do a job.

so I find myself explaining it again: I said the fact that being a woman would effect someone's ability to be elected to the office of the President. That is a deciding factor in the minds of many Americans, just as Obama being black is a deciding factor in the minds of many Americans, though not as much as a female in the position of VP or President. There fore, it is a fact, since there are more Americans wary of a woman in the office of VP or President then they are a man of different skin color, that this country is not socially ready for a female President....and yes...VP counts because as part of that because of the fact that if something drastic happens to the President, then the VP serves as the in-term leader.

There would be a huge social psychology factor against a Presidental nominee if the said person was homosexual, regardless of the ability to perform the job. It's a basic social stigmata at this time in our country...and it will be decades, maybe longer, before America is willing to accept a homosexual Presidental Nominee. Race and Gender have been an issue in this country, alone, for much longer, and we have just now reached a point where one of those barriers is going to recieve a major crack in it.

Hell Gaf....there is a social psychological factor against someone like me becoming a primary Presidental Nominee....and it does not lie within any of my views or my past....but rather my last name. It's Hungarian in origion, and hardly anyone can pronounce it right, even ppl that have known me for several years....my own family uses a mis-pronounciation of it. That factor right there would be more of a deciding factor, at this point in our country, then quite a few other things. The most complex names attributed to the presidental office are Eisenhower and Roosevelt.

As for my personal choices in Rudy Guiliani....Most historical mayor of New York within our lifetimes...(most likely). He had to deal with 9-11 more upfront than anyone else in a political office, and even after his term of mayor was up, has still been very active in many of the recovery/ rebuilding efforts in New York, serving as Special Guest speaker to many of the fundraisers of city support events. He also was able to transform down-town NY from the red-light district and mugging center into a highly economical center of the city, much less the state. He has many qualities that I think that would be suitable for office. I do realize that he is not perfect.

As for Edwards, I have been a personal fan of Edwards since a story ran a few years ago, concerning a traffic accident that his family and he witnessed while on their vactation. Edwards left his family in the car, rushed over the accident, and used his skills and knowledge as a doctor to perform advanced first aid on the victims of the accident....an act that has been noted as lifesaving, as the paramedics had stated that if some of the victims had not received such quick medical care, they would have not survived till the ambulance's arrival. I have always admired John Edwards for that. That being said...I also say that I know he is not perfect.

"I think that kinda says that they could not connect with the people on any level"

Thats in-correct...they connected with many people on many levels, but not enough to be considered the best fit for office by the parties.

[phee]

I am curious as to how Gaf would react to the idea of me being part of his troop

[n0Mad]

This would be so much easier if I had a clue to whether Fin was male or female... not knowing makes it hard to refer to them.

Fin's a guy. Met him at City Club several times. Really nice, great guy all around, and even looks good in eye liner. He and I may disagree politically but I still like him as a friend and more than willing to fly wing man with him to pick up chicks.

I find it amusing how GFP thinks that anyone who doesn't agree with him is part of Gaf's "troop" or is a "follower" of Gaf.

There are definitely some intelligent folks on this board who can think for themselves and form their own opinions--whether they be regarding the presidential race or anything else for that matter.

Can I be part of your troop?

[Rayne]

GFP -

I've also taken a crap load of Psychology as well, some required and some on my own. I actually went back and forth for awhile on a Psychology or a Law degree, but decided Psychology wasn't my route, since it's a little too close to home for me, so I went with Law. The Psychology classes required so far has been general Psychology.

As I've mentioned before, I've also taken tons of Psychology (mostly Child and Behavioural Psychology but some Adult and Social Psychology and even some specialized illnesses) classes due to my daughter's Psychiatric illnesses.

I'm not saying I know it all ... by far I do not, and there will be even more required classes in Psychology before I get my degree ... I'm just saying, I think your underestimating in your opinion.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

I find it amusing how GFP thinks that anyone who doesn't agree with him is part of Gaf's "troop" or is a "follower" of Gaf.

There are definitely some intelligent folks on this board who can think for themselves and form their own opinions--whether they be regarding the presidential race or anything else for that matter.

GFP--Your opinion isn't the only one that counts. You debate well at times and make some excellent points, but can you pelase be a bit more of a gentleman?

ok...I'm going to make this as clear as possable, to try and forego anymore confusion. I am really tired of saying one thing over and over...and everyone seeming to think it is something else.

It is NOT my opinion that this country is not ready for a female president because of the majority of American's social psychology. I think we can all agree that all of the entertainment industry branches have many more roles that feature women in the categories I mentioned before, many of those rolls popular. Even the more positive roles have large sections within them that feed back to one, if not more, of those categories.

Now, with every recent movie of Angelina Jolie running around half naked; Courtney Cox playing a manipulative, power hungry company CEO; many of the straight men in America thinking of Jessica Alba in her cowboy stripper outfit while they jack-off; the fact that facials are the most searched for sex scene in the porn industry; and much...MUCH...more....along how influential the entertainment industry is in our modern society....and the social stigmata that women have had for far too long....it makes the chances of a female President in out near future very slim to nihil. I don't like it....I don't even approve of it...but it's there....I didn't make it...it's not an opinion....its a social fact.

[n0Mad]

and the social stigmata that women have had for far too long

Just because women bleed for a few days every month I'd hardly call that a stigmata.

Sorry to laugh at a typo at your expense (the correct word is "stigma") but I just found it amusing and had to have my chuckles for the day.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Just because women bleed for a few days every month I'd hardly call that a stigmata.

Sorry to laugh at a typo at your expense (the correct word is "stigma") but I just found it amusing and had to have my chuckles for the day.

*kicks his 3rd grade nun teacher*....I was told that either term was technically correct.....stupid nuns

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

I am curious as to how Gaf would react to the idea of me being part of his troop

seizure??

lol..hell...maybe he'll develop a stigmata...lol

I can already imagine him thinking of needing a kidney removed....cuz I'm such a pain in his side!!!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I have a troop? pfft.

You have an opinion that you come to based on your observations in life. So do I. I think that the USA is just as ready for a Female President as they are a Black President. I actually think they are more ready for a Female.

Be honest with yourself and walk through this mental exorcise with me...

Create, in your head, two worlds.

Each exactly like this one.

World A has a Female President of the USA.

World B has a Black Male President.

Which one gets shot first?

BTW: Edward's doctorate is in Law. Juris Doctor. Not medicine. Edwards is most likely the best trail lawyer we have ever seen on this planet. I'm not trying to discount your story... many people know advanced first aid. Edwards may have saved a life, I don't know, never heard the story before... but knowing advanced first aid does not make you a doctor... or I would be a doctor.