the tribe

[SaGa]

i wish to pose a question, about true community, something thats been wittled away these past generations.

do any of you believe we whould be better of living a life more as a tribe then individuals.

i want to ask this seeing how events fold, how independence is teached as the highest goal for pride and honor, and if the developed worlds had to revert back to depending on each other instead of the dollar to get us bye. whould anybody feel better that way.

the pressures in life whould be different but a society in a post industrial format reverting back to the older ways. do you think we whould be closer to each other and not look at being self reliant on survival as the goal but instead the goal being to give to the local "tribe" as providers

and the emotional good that whould happen. perhaps having pride in a society instead of ashamed

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I don't think that a tribal system will work on any large population. Far too many competing interests. Coomon needs only go so far... once the population reaches a certain level the "common needs" of one group are going to compete with those of another.

[sass_in_the_pants]

On some level, we ARE living in a tribal society - you have your 'family' tribe, your 'friend' tribe, your nation tribe. So, I guess, what do you mean by tribe?

On a large scale, I think it would be a positive cultural shift if in the States we did become less 'I' centered.

[Rev.Reverence]

On some level, we ARE living in a tribal society - you have your 'family' tribe, your 'friend' tribe, your nation tribe. So, I guess, what do you mean by tribe?

On a large scale, I think it would be a positive cultural shift if in the States we did become less 'I' centered.

+1

[EAF (1)]

In a way if you think about it our society is living in an almost "satanist" viewpoint. Think of yourself first and above all else become better than everyone else...it makes me sad to think that no one gives a damn about anyone else anymore. Overall respect and common sense seem to be very rare.

So in a way the whole tribal thing could be twisted in so many directions...I really need more information on the standpoint before I could make an argument for it.

For instance it could be the modern day tribe is in effect in such ways as indiidual or it could also be corporate tribes versus independent ones...verses...well you get what i mean...

Basically to me there are modern day tribes and they surround us...from individual to countries. or maybe the whole world is one big form of tribe and as Gaf said tribes with different focuses tend to butt heads on a lot of issues.

I hope that made sense...at least sort of. XD

[SaGa]

well i can see pride in the job you have, the family unit is strong to some people, others due to moving out and getting your own place commonly far away from your parents seperates it, friends well some people keep these things alive, althou iv seen poor people with more friends then middle class. i think this could be interpreted several ways, dgn is a tribe of people but supporting everyones needs its far from. fr

[EAF (1)]

Really though in a lot of ways a tribe does not serve all the people in it. The way of a trib is that everyone does what is thought to be the greater good and the most beneficial to all, which in an odd way seems to make people happier sometimes.

I think personally if everyone cared for even just two other people over than themselves then people might be happier in general, unfortunatly not everyone has other peoples interests at heart.

[SaGa]

it seems people are more for interests when picking who to befriend. so the lonely, or desperate or those with negative aspects are outcasted from most places, either bye spokenword. or just subtle scorning. the thought of welding the weakest link in the chain doesnt happen all to much. but this might just be human nature and our greater understanding of the laws of social evolution. that we cast those who are weak aside.

i usually refer to a tribe as more then 10 people who are all connected and with bonds with each member of said tribe. much how dgn is

[freydis]

Asatru are very tribal.... but it doesnt necessarily mean giving up any sense of individuality, its more a relating with others and looking out for the community, and making sure to give a hand where it's needed.

[pomba gira]

it seems people are more for interests when picking who to befriend. so the lonely, or desperate or those with negative aspects are outcasted from most places, either bye spokenword. or just subtle scorning. the thought of welding the weakest link in the chain doesnt happen all to much. but this might just be human nature and our greater understanding of the laws of social evolution. that we cast those who are weak aside.

i usually refer to a tribe as more then 10 people who are all connected and with bonds with each member of said tribe. much how dgn is

Not sure about that... historically it seems that societies start to break down when they reach a point where the weak are "cast aside" & the usual mechanisms for taking care of people no longer function. And most cultures do have some niche available for those who "don't fit in", be it as shamans or wandering minstrels. Industrial societies are the only ones where people are in effect shunned or ostracized just for being "different"- those are usually extreme punishments given only for truly heinous crimes. As I recall, the main criteria for classifying hominids as early humans are spiritual practices (i.e. burying the dead with some kind of ritual observance) and caring for community members who could not have survived on their own.

I like your definition of "tribe", tho. And I do believe a little more tribalism and a lot less self-centered individualism would do us a world of good. It's all about balance, and that's something American society has never been good at.

[SaGa]

Not sure about that... historically it seems that societies start to break down when they reach a point where the weak are "cast aside" & the usual mechanisms for taking care of people no longer function. And most cultures do have some niche available for those who "don't fit in", be it as shamans or wandering minstrels. Industrial societies are the only ones where people are in effect shunned or ostracized just for being "different"- those are usually extreme punishments given only for truly heinous crimes. As I recall, the main criteria for classifying hominids as early humans are spiritual practices (i.e. burying the dead with some kind of ritual observance) and caring for community members who could not have survived on their own.

I like your definition of "tribe", tho. And I do believe a little more tribalism and a lot less self-centered individualism would do us a world of good. It's all about balance, and that's something American society has never been good at.

i think im bringing this up due to the freakout people are having on the economy and the thought that no one is ready to lose "there amarican dream of your own 2000sq foot house, the car, the independence from depending on anyone other then the industries that support it"