2012

[predaking]

ok,

I started really looking into this after something Gaf posted, i've read about this, the Web-Bot project, and the Mayan calander before but had forgot about it till i read his post. This is some scary shit if you really think about it but REALLY interesting at the same time. 4 years till...I got a lot to do!

12/21/12 site

survive 2012

wiki

[Onyx]

Yeah, we better party like it's 1999.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Its interesting. Regardless if we believe in it or not ... all hail the corn god!!. I've always found cultural stuff like this worth looking into at least partly. The Mayans in particular i spent a few weeks back in the day looking into as an offshoot of Aztec stuff i was interested in. Especially the TIKAL temple site, its really interesting.

As i remember there is serious difficulty in correlating the classical Mayan calendar with the modern calendar due to a lot of missing info to make really clear what dates info relate directly to our own. As i remember it was fairly clear that the count leading up to 2012 having to do with the "bakun" (sp?) sunspot cycle was in error due to recent research. But, that the old sunspot cycle tradition had been used for so long that it seemed pointless to try and update it and would just cause stress so they've kept the traditional (error ed) system.

We just sort of have to say "ok .. good enough, lets just agree that it means X." Sort of like how the current Zodiac system is totally out of whack with the earliest teachings but ... fuck it, pointless to try and re-start the tradition now with accurate timing.

I saw some show with actual practicing Mayan spiritualists saying that the stuff about 2012 was misinterpreted and turned into a book at some point, but isn't actually a prediction any of the "holy men" he knows give any credence to. Also like most native peoples, they weren't actually one people, but several different city-states or tribes, often not even speaking the same languages... which confuses the issue even more.

The Bible scares me more, if we assume it the Hell concept is true. The Mayan afterlife (depending on whos guesses you pick) isn't nearly as scary.

I used to do a lot more research on various ancient religious cultures than i do now. I switched my research focus more to Science/history and "the big 4" religions so my understanding is a bit lacking.

[jadnifer]

Now when it gets closer to this date,...everyone is going to start freaking out like they did during 1999 because they were scared of Y2K. Nothing happened there and I am inclined to believe that nothing will happen here either.

Thats just my opinion.

Carry on.

[CandyQuackenbush]

Now when it gets closer to this date,...everyone is going to start freaking out like they did during 1999 because they were scared of Y2K. Nothing happened there and I am inclined to believe that nothing will happen here either.

Thats just my opinion.

Carry on.

I gotta say "ditto" to that. I mean Y2K was a fucking joke. They said it could send us into a new generation depression.... um... it didn't.

Well then, I guess it looks like in 2011, I should atleast store up on water.... and ramen noodles.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Excuse me... but you those of you ganking off about y2k....

On behalf of the programers, techs and geeks who fixed the problems before the event date.

You are welcome.

[Homicidalheathen]

Yah my friend was ranting about the Mayan calendar last night......2012 something baaad is suppose to happen and that they (the Mayans) were good at prophecy.

He is moving this year to the middle of the country to avoid the national ID card too.

Navada is the last warm state we might go there.......but not because of some doomsday prophecy......just to avoid the chip.

And y2k was a joke.

I bet it got people to buy lotsa flashlights and bottled water.

[Destroit]

Apparantly though, I've read that it isn't the physical end of the world, but the mental.

That's if you buy that.

As in money will lose all value, mindset of everyone in the world will be changed, we will be spiritual rather than material, etc.

You get my point.

Who's to say any of it is true though? Personally I think when the Mayans made their calendar they probably just said "Well...we've made the calendar for a few THOUSAND years in advance, maybe we'll just stop here and the people of that time can worry about it then". I mean they just couldn't keep going and going and going and going and going on that calendar for forever and ever, what would have been the point in that?

[Destroit]

And y2k was a joke.

It wasn't a joke, as Gaf said, they fixed it before it happened.

[CandyQuackenbush]

Why should we worry if the world is going to end anyways? You really think that talking about it, worrying about it, is really going to do anything?

Not so much.

We are all going to die, so who cares? Some die young, some die old. If the world wants to end, how is that any different than just dying naturally? When you die, is that not your world comming to an end?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK, time to wade in...

It's not just the Mayans... it many ancient Prophets forecasting doom for about that time period... it's a computer forecasting program that says the same thing...

but it's not some event that destroys everything and no one is left afterwards...

it's a war that engulfs the world with death and devistation.... the war is not the end of the world... it's a symptom from the event.... emotional echos from the future.... causing wide spread fear and depression.. that builds into the war....

Then it happens. Something. It varies by account.... but something changes everything.

many point to Planet X... a long lost planet of the solar system in a long elliptical orbit... that brings it close to earth once every couple thousand years...

It is speculated that it is populated... and that those people are who built the Sphinx (it's way older than most people think) and who taught the Egyptians to build the pyramids and it's they who are depicted in Mayan wall murals...

Now, if that true... a couple things could happen...

We could meet an alien race... i'mnot sure the world would be anything like it is today 30 seconds after the general populace knew we were not alone.

Or it could come close to earth... crossing gravitational and electromagnetic lines... that would be fucked up and bad for both of us.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

I prefer the quasi-scientific end of the world predictions that are more common nowadays than the completely fairy-tale ones. At least they try to reconcile an unsubstantiated claim with the language of science, these are at least logically-inclined, even if we think they have flawed conclusions. Theres hope for these ideas to eventually turn into more substantiated (albeit edited) ideas.

The full-on fairy tale believers are difficult to communicate with at all about such things.

I was locked in combat with the Y2K thing for like 18 months straight, if we are talking about the computers issue 40+ hours a week. I do think some of the predictions were overblown and based more on superstition sometimes than science. But some of it was actually a real concern. There was a worldwide effort to keep things to a minimum, and i know we kept a lot of stuff from happening that could have worked out fairly disasterious by human effort.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

2 years, 60+ hours a week...

Troy, we are super heros and people just refuse to see it.

[n0Mad]

4 years till...I got a lot to do!

We all better vote Republican or Libertarian in this upcoming presidential election then. If one of them Democrats gets into office, then we won't be able to buy guns at all during those four years. Heck, maybe not even after them if they have their way.

Maybe that's it. Maybe the Mayans predicted Clinton or Obama winning and sending the world to hell.

*sets down can of worms, hides lid so nobody can close it, runs*

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

LOL

[predaking]

ok, heres a little somthin to think about,

Good ol Nostradamus had a knack for making freaky accurate predictions that come to fruition, like WWI, WWII, 9/11 and most of the conflicts that have gone on and ARE going on right now. Even he predicted 2012, he also said it would pop off in the Middle East. Now how long have we been there? sense 9/11 and look at all the tension surrounding the US and its military action!! more and more countries have jumped into the nuclear arms race and got real ichy button fingers (India, Pakistan, N. Korea, etc.). Now with the bite to back up the loud bark it will all come down to whos feelin frogy. Now i'm not saying that somthing is gonna go down but if you start putting all the little seemingly non related pieces together you start to see a really fucking grim completely related picture, and you dont need any prediction to tell you that somthing bad is comming. How bad? I guess we have to wait and see but in the few years leading up to it, shit is going to be fucked.

Nostradamus

[ttogreh]

If the world is predetermined... why the hell should I worry about it? I can't change anything; it's destined to happen. If the world is nothing but noise and chaos, why the hell should I worry about it? I can't change anything: anything can happen.

I am just going to be kind to my fellows, and express myself in the best way I can.

[Destroit]

ok, heres a little somthin to think about,

Good ol Nostradamus had a knack for making freaky accurate predictions that come to fruition, like WWI, WWII, 9/11 and most of the conflicts that have gone on and ARE going on right now. Even he predicted 2012, he also said it would pop off in the Middle East. Now how long have we been there? sense 9/11 and look at all the tension surrounding the US and its military action!! more and more countries have jumped into the nuclear arms race and got real ichy button fingers (India, Pakistan, N. Korea, etc.). Now with the bite to back up the loud bark it will all come down to whos feelin frogy. Now i'm not saying that somthing is gonna go down but if you start putting all the little seemingly non related pieces together you start to see a really fucking grim completely related picture, and you dont need any prediction to tell you that somthing bad is comming. How bad? I guess we have to wait and see but in the few years leading up to it, shit is going to be fucked.

Nostradamus

Naw, Nostradamus is just as much of a phony as all of the other so called "psychics" out there. He made very vague verses regarding the "future", which is exactly what the cooky old psychic lady down the block with the hairy mole and spooooky crystal ball does.

I mean, you make a VERY vague guess, extremely vague, about the future and someplace down the line it's bound to "happen". OR people will string together event that are so called matched up with those preditions, just to try and make them true.

It's like reading your horoscope and being like "oh..okay yeah, I guess this did sorta happen today..."

Also, a site with the title nostradamusonline.com (notice the boldness of the .com) literally can say whatever they damn well please because it's a .com site. A .edu site or a .gov site cannot, they're generally credible.

I could go on and create a .com page saying that giant monster tomatoes from Mars are going to attack New York City in the year 2012 because I saw a vision in a bowl of alphabet soup, and there's not shit anyone could do or say about it.

Nostradamus is more full of shit than the Mayans really, and you don't really notice any of them kicking around anymore, do you? At least not as "Mayans".

Furthermore, if the Mayans were such this massively advanced race/ethnicity/whatever, then why oh why were they able to be conquered so easily? They weren't passive at ALL, so you can't blame that.

Also, after I posted I realized something. Yes, he made "predictions" about WWI, WWII, 9/11, and "the end"...

So I ask you this, since there have been massively bloody and horrible events such as war, the plague, the red death (i.e. TB), etc, why didn't he predict any of those?

ALSO...last but not least, almost everyone has taken Nostradamus' "predictions" throughout the ages and thought "oh NOOO! The end is near!" because people are so self-centered EVERY SINGLE GENERATION thinks that the world will end in their time and have had "credible reasons" such as visions to back that up.

The funny part is that I don't think the world will end. Period. At least not until the sun explodes and engulfs the earth in some 100,000 years or more.

[ttogreh]

Chernobyl, they knew fuck-all about soil management. The Mayans... great architects, shitty farmers.

[Destroit]

Chernobyl, they knew fuck-all about soil management. The Mayans... great architects, shitty farmers.

Yeah that's pretty much all they were good for. I mean, they aren't even as advanced as the Ancient Egyptians were, and the Egyptians didn't predict the end .

Like I said, I think they just got to a point where they were like "okay, well since we aren't just going to sit here and continually track this shit, 2012 (or whatever they thought) seems like a fair place to stop".

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Furthermore, if the Mayans were such this massively advanced race/ethnicity/whatever, then why oh why were they able to be conquered so easily? They weren't passive at ALL, so you can't blame that.

Also, after I posted I realized something. Yes, he made "predictions" about WWI, WWII, 9/11, and "the end"...

So I ask you this, since there have been massively bloody and horrible events such as war, the plague, the red death (i.e. TB), etc, why didn't he predict any of those?

ALSO...last but not least, almost everyone has taken Nostradamus' "predictions" throughout the ages and thought "oh NOOO! The end is near!" because people are so self-centered EVERY SINGLE GENERATION thinks that the world will end in their time and have had "credible reasons" such as visions to back that up.

The funny part is that I don't think the world will end. Period. At least not until the sun explodes and engulfs the earth in some 100,000 years or more.

Who exactly conquered the Mayans? I asked this because the 9 or 10 books I have on their culture never say anything like that. Mostly they talk about the huge mystery as to where they went. They seem to have just kinda disappeared into the woodwork during the 8th and 9th century's.

Nostradamus didn't predict the Red Death because it's a fictional decease created by the mind of Poe. Maybe you were thinking of the Black Death (The Plague of which you speak)... which he had no need to predict because his main job in life was treating victims of it. He did predict WW1 and WW2...

As for the Sun... It will never explode. It does not have enough mass. In about 5-6 BILLION years it will expand into a Red Giant and destroy all the inner planets. There is a small mathematical chance that Earth will survive... mostly. Computer models predict gravitational tides will push Earth away from the Sun as it expands. Ofcourse... the natural life cycle of the Sun will burn all life off Earth in about 900million years and boil off all the water in about a Billion.

My whole point being... when you don't know any actual facts about something you should not act like you have the right answer. It makes you look bad.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yeah that's pretty much all they were good for. I mean, they aren't even as advanced as the Ancient Egyptians were, and the Egyptians didn't predict the end .

Really? again.. you should do a bit of research.. they were just as advanced as the Egyptians. Their Pyramids were just as mathematically perfect. They created the most accurate calender in history.

[predaking]

Naw, Nostradamus is just as much of a phony as all of the other so called "psychics" out there. He made very vague verses regarding the "future", which is exactly what the cooky old psychic lady down the block with the hairy mole and spooooky crystal ball does.

I mean, you make a VERY vague guess, extremely vague, about the future and someplace down the line it's bound to "happen". OR people will string together event that are so called matched up with those preditions, just to try and make them true.

It's like reading your horoscope and being like "oh..okay yeah, I guess this did sorta happen today..."

Also, a site with the title nostradamusonline.com (notice the boldness of the .com) literally can say whatever they damn well please because it's a .com site. A .edu site or a .gov site cannot, they're generally credible.

I could go on and create a .com page saying that giant monster tomatoes from Mars are going to attack New York City in the year 2012 because I saw a vision in a bowl of alphabet soup, and there's not shit anyone could do or say about it.

Nostradamus is more full of shit than the Mayans really, and you don't really notice any of them kicking around anymore, do you? At least not as "Mayans".

Furthermore, if the Mayans were such this massively advanced race/ethnicity/whatever, then why oh why were they able to be conquered so easily? They weren't passive at ALL, so you can't blame that.

Also, after I posted I realized something. Yes, he made "predictions" about WWI, WWII, 9/11, and "the end"...

So I ask you this, since there have been massively bloody and horrible events such as war, the plague, the red death (i.e. TB), etc, why didn't he predict any of those?

ALSO...last but not least, almost everyone has taken Nostradamus' "predictions" throughout the ages and thought "oh NOOO! The end is near!" because people are so self-centered EVERY SINGLE GENERATION thinks that the world will end in their time and have had "credible reasons" such as visions to back that up.

The funny part is that I don't think the world will end. Period. At least not until the sun explodes and engulfs the earth in some 100,000 years or more.

the site was just somthing to glance at not the maker of my point.

the events he predicted were on a global scale, that tends to make EVERYBODY take notice, he did make predictions for smaller events. Now I never said "OH NOOOO the end is near!" I mearly stated the course of current events were freakishly similar to not just his predictions but of meny INCLUDING the MODERN DAY COMPUTER CONTROLED Web-Bot project. You dont have to buy it cuz i'm not selling it I just made a connection.

You kinda walked on your own feet a bit too "massively bloody and horrible events such as war"...yeah he did and yeah they happened. And how is it self centered saying the world is gonna end??? no person esp. a self-centered person would want that. You make it sound as tho I said the world was just gonna vaporize or somthing like that, heres what I REALLY said simplified "war is brewing and you dont need prediction from ANYTHING OR ANYONE to see that". The popularity of the US is less then stellar to say the least, hell N. korea outright said they would not hesitate to launch on us if we came a knocking. I think its a little self centered thinking that NOTHING could happen. The wrong target hit, the wrong word said, etc. any number of things can happen that could set off the powder keg and thats just being realistic. Do I think somthing will happen on 12/21/12? probably not, in the not so distant future? lets just say I dont see any olive branches being passed out. Ok so you dont think the world will end, thats cool, when the violant, hate filled, and distructive side of human nature is gone forever then I will agree with you there. Lets just say IF (and that is HUGE fucking if) somthing were to happen, it would be war not some fantastic fairy tale end and that would be somthing to worry about because there will be survivors and wether or not you are one would depend on you actions not a prediction

Ok, this was a rant. I'm sorry for that, I'm just comming off a headache and a bit crabby. My spelling and grammer probably suck ass LOL

1 more thing, the Sun has a bout 6 billion years left before it goes

[predaking]

Who exactly conquered the Mayans? I asked this because the 9 or 10 books I have on their culture never say anything like that. Mostly they talk about the huge mystery as to where they went. They seem to have just kinda disappeared into the woodwork during the 8th and 9th century's.

Nostradamus didn't predict the Red Death because it's a fictional decease created by the mind of Poe. Maybe you were thinking of the Black Death (The Plague of which you speak)... which he had no need to predict because his main job in life was treating victims of it. He did predict WW1 and WW2...

As for the Sun... It will never explode. It does not have enough mass. In about 5-6 BILLION years it will expand into a Red Giant and destroy all the inner planets. There is a small mathematical chance that Earth will survive... mostly. Computer models predict gravitational tides will push Earth away from the Sun as it expands. Ofcourse... the natural life cycle of the Sun will burn all life off Earth in about 900million years and boil off all the water in about a Billion.

My whole point being... when you don't know any actual facts about something you should not act like you have the right answer. It makes you look bad.

damn i'm to slow i started my post when cher's was the last one, we have almost the exact same thing. I guess the whole great minds think alike is true!

[Steven]

predictions, predictions, predictions....just from the current state of affiars and pace of industrial consupmtion I think we'll seem (as just a personal hunch):

a) the complete financial collapse of the United States - which causes it to no longer be a key player on the world stage for the first time in history, an impotent presence at best, while the rest of the nations square off for control.

b) our general deterioration into chaos and sticks and stones for a time being here in the US, because as a peopl we have not been truly tested nationally in a very long time and lack the generational fortitude to cope well.

c) global devestation by way of famine and disease, with old diseases rearing their heads again as super bugs that are impervious to our antibiotics and begin to wipe many people out, plague style

d) global unity by way of desperation spearheaded by "someone' who comes up with "the cure"