I Spit On Your Grave (2010)

[DJ Nocker]

It came out on Tuesday, I have been very excited about it, and I got the only copy that was sent to my town (lol). Anyone else plan on checking this one out? It has gotten rave reviews, I cant wait to check it out, probably be my plan for Saturday night Any thought on this or the original, spark some conversation, are you grossed out by the stuff/interested/like the original/ect. im bored, discuss!

[hunhee]

I haven't seen "I Spit On Your Grave" (the original one) in YEARS.. and I do mean years. So I planned on getting the new one when it came out on video and the old one and watch them back to back. I'm weird like that.

I also did this with "Let The Right One In" and "Let Me In".. (even tho it wasn't YEARS between the making of both those movies). I like seeing the discrepancies and the similarities.

I'll let you know what I think when I watch them both,(one of them again, and the other one anew) and have an educated and informed opinion.

[DJ Nocker]

I haven't seen "I Spit On Your Grave" (the original one) in YEARS.. and I do mean years. So I planned on getting the new one when it came out on video and the old one and watch them back to back. I'm weird like that.

I also did this with "Let The Right One In" and "Let Me In".. (even tho it wasn't YEARS between the making of both those movies). I like seeing the discrepancies and the similarities.

I'll let you know what I think when I watch them both,(one of them again, and the other one anew) and have an educated and informed opinion.

Awesome, we can talk about it at Mars Bar

I havent seen "Let Me In" yet because I dont like how people are calling it the best AMERICAN horror film in 20 years....when its a remake of a Swedish film that is only like 2 or 3 years old -_-

The original "I Spit On Your Grave" has not aged well, so be ready. I have a good feeling about the remake.

[the eternal]

It has gotten rave reviews, I cant wait to check it out, probably be my plan for Saturday night Any thought on this or the original, spark some conversation, are you grossed out by the stuff/interested/like the original/ect. im bored, discuss!

RAPE IS SO HOT, isn't it?

You know I get that you love a lot of types of music and tons of movies, but

amazingly, EVERY SINGLE FILM you get excited about involves brutal rape.

I can't argue with you on the rave reviews.

I mean it got a full 27 out of 100 on Metacritic (which consolidates all the reviewers from

around the country)

Variety Reviewed by: Ronnie Scheib 50 out of 100

Its straight-ahead rape, humiliation and ingenious revenge competently executed but not aestheticized, the essential grunginess never overly slicked up.

The Globe and Mail (Toronto)Reviewed by: Rick Groen 25 out of 100

Neither boring enough to qualify as pornography nor vital enough to generate a controversy.

Village Voice Reviewed by: Nick Pinkerton 20 out of 100

When every injury is repaid with interest, this self-destroying work has nowhere to go but to the credits. Such symmetry is a dismal, barbarian sort of perfection.

There WAS a good review from the NY Post which is best reason I can think of to avoid it.

Every fucking time a great movie comes out, all the reviewers like it.

EXCEPT the NY Post

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WHAT'S I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE ANYWAY?

For those of you who don't have a friend that likes every legendarily fucked up movie every made (like I do) it's a poorly acted rape exploitation film POSING as a feminist empowerment film.

We get to see this poor woman raped for what seems like forever by four different guys and then

she turns around and kills them brutally. YAY WOMAN!

There are a few feminists who claim it's great because, as one said, "the way in which [the movie's] brutal simplicity exposes a mainspring of popular culture."

That's awesome! Not only do we get see four brutal rapes,

which let's face it is totally awesome and hot,

BUT it reinforces a hackneyed old feminist theory, "That's how men are"

Apparently, the new version has more ridiculous revenge sequences but better production values and acting.

It's Saw! Now with 400% MORE rape!!!

If I want to watch a terrible exploitation film, I'll watch ThanksKilling again.

At least then I can laugh at more than the production values.

I also did this with "Let The Right One In" and "Let Me In".. (even tho it wasn't YEARS between the making of both those movies). I like seeing the discrepancies and the similarities.

I havent seen "Let Me In" yet because I dont like how people are calling it the best AMERICAN horror film in 20 years....when its a remake of a Swedish film that is only like 2 or 3 years old -_-

Umm, Hunhee, you told me seeing it was a waste of time.

Of course, I vehemently disagree.

Let the Right One In was awesome.

Let Me In was awesome.

It WAS a little redundant. Kinda like when you hear a cover song that follows it so much like the original, that even if you like the singer, you think "Was it necessary?"

Still the fact that if I HADN'T seen the original, I would've thought it was amazing, says something.

They didn't water it down.

They didn't Americanize it.

The acting was great.

In ONE instance they improved on the original (IMHO)

I liked that, instead of leaving it ambiguous as to the morals and intentions and even history of the caregiver, in the new version they deepen his role.

We can tell how much he loves her, and that it's not creepy, because he was the same as that little boy 40 years earlier.

And as the movie ends, we realize that the little boy will end up the same way.

It's so sad.

I can't say it's the best horror movie in 20 yrs, because it's so much a drama, that calling it horror doesn't appreciate it as a film.

OF COURSE, there is no rape in it, so it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread.

[DJ Nocker]

RAPE IS SO HOT, isn't it?

You know I get that you love a lot of types of music and tons of movies, but

amazingly, EVERY SINGLE FILM you get excited about involves brutal rape.

I can't argue with you on the rave reviews.

I mean it got a full 27 out of 100 on Metacritic (which consolidates all the reviewers from

around the country)

Variety Reviewed by: Ronnie Scheib 50 out of 100

Its straight-ahead rape, humiliation and ingenious revenge competently executed but not aestheticized, the essential grunginess never overly slicked up.

The Globe and Mail (Toronto)Reviewed by: Rick Groen 25 out of 100

Neither boring enough to qualify as pornography nor vital enough to generate a controversy.

Village Voice Reviewed by: Nick Pinkerton 20 out of 100

When every injury is repaid with interest, this self-destroying work has nowhere to go but to the credits. Such symmetry is a dismal, barbarian sort of perfection.

There WAS a good review from the NY Post which is best reason I can think of to avoid it.

Every fucking time a great movie comes out, all the reviewers like it.

EXCEPT the NY Post

----------------------

WHAT'S I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE ANYWAY?

For those of you who don't have a friend that likes every legendarily fucked up movie every made (like I do) it's a poorly acted rape exploitation film POSING as a feminist empowerment film.

We get to see this poor woman raped for what seems like forever by four different guys and then

she turns around and kills them brutally. YAY WOMAN!

There are a few feminists who claim it's great because, as one said, "the way in which [the movie's] brutal simplicity exposes a mainspring of popular culture."

That's awesome! Not only do we get see four brutal rapes,

which let's face it is totally awesome and hot,

BUT it reinforces a hackneyed old feminist theory, "That's how men are"

Apparently, the new version has more ridiculous revenge sequences but better production values and acting.

It's Saw! Now with 400% MORE rape!!!

If I want to watch a terrible exploitation film, I'll watch ThanksKilling again.

At least then I can laugh at more than the production values.

Umm, Hunhee, you told me seeing it was a waste of time.

Of course, I vehemently disagree.

Let the Right One In was awesome.

Let Me In was awesome.

It WAS a little redundant. Kinda like when you hear a cover song that follows it so much like the original, that even if you like the singer, you think "Was it necessary?"

Still the fact that if I HADN'T seen the original, I would've thought it was amazing, says something.

They didn't water it down.

They didn't Americanize it.

The acting was great.

In ONE instance they improved on the original (IMHO)

I liked that, instead of leaving it ambiguous as to the morals and intentions and even history of the caregiver, in the new version they deepen his role.

We can tell how much he loves her, and that it's not creepy, because he was the same as that little boy 40 years earlier.

And as the movie ends, we realize that the little boy will end up the same way.

It's so sad.

I can't say it's the best horror movie in 20 yrs, because it's so much a drama, that calling it horror doesn't appreciate it as a film.

OF COURSE, there is no rape in it, so it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread.

Mr. Eternal, let me explain again... FIRST OFF, not every movie I am excited about happens to have rape in it, prime example would be "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnasus", which I made a thread for. A movie by my(probably)favorite director, Terry Gilliam (Which if I remember correctly, none of his movies have rape scenarios in them). Another instance is the movie "Franklyn" which i posted about...and got like 1 reply, and its a FANTASY movie. I will admit first hand that horror, exploitation, and arthouse are my favorite types of movies. I also find it to be very interesting how society views rape to be worse than death, which is another reason I like these films, the psychology/taboo behind the stuff interests me. But seriously, take a look at my movie collection and you will see its not all rape films, Ill PM you a link to my IMDB list if you like. I dont like movies JUST because of them having rape/brutality in them, I fucking hate the "August Underground" series, and many others of the "extreme" variety. There has to be a certain atmosphere/color/undertone...something. I dont just get hyped over any violent movie.

On to "I Spit On Your Grave"

Movies like "ISOYG" "Cannibal Holocaust" and all the other "Video Nasties" of that era, are very important films, regardless how degrading and poorly made you may think they are. They are part of a specific time in film history. Are they masterpieces, hell no...well not many of them at least. As for the rave reviews, I meant in the horror and exploitation world, not pop culture like "Variety". Obviously they wont like it, LoL. And they apparently added a lot more atmosphere to the remake, which is something I look forward to seeing, as the original is actually pretty boring if you watch it today.

As for the whole explaining of the care giver in Let Me In...Sorry I dont like things to be spelled out in black and white for me, I like to put my own thoughts into it once in a while. To quote David Lynch

"Life never gives you all the answers, why should film be any different?"

I will be watching the remake today, and Ill be sure to post what I thought about it later, hope I can meet you at Industrial Tuesday so we can actually have a conversation some time. I think you will be surprised.

EDIT: And Thankskilling is funny as all get out.

Edited February 13, 2011 by DJ Nocker

[Destroit]

Adding it to the list of movies, been slacking though due to being busy. Was surprised the household finally got around to The Human Centipede, I think we were maybe talking about A Serbian Film for next time, this would have to come after. I suppose I'm out of the loop because I didn't even know they were remaking this until now, I vaguely remember seeing the original back in high school.

Adding it to the list of movies, been slacking though due to being busy. Was surprised the household finally got around to The Human Centipede, I think we were maybe talking about A Serbian Film for next time, this would have to come after. I suppose I'm out of the loop because I didn't even know they were remaking this until now, I vaguely remember seeing the original back in high school.

[DJ Nocker]

Adding it to the list of movies, been slacking though due to being busy. Was surprised the household finally got around to The Human Centipede, I think we were maybe talking about A Serbian Film for next time, this would have to come after. I suppose I'm out of the loop because I didn't even know they were remaking this until now, I vaguely remember seeing the original back in high school.

Serbian Film is the top of the "disturbing/gross/ect ect ect"

I can honestly say that nothing tops Serbian Film for depravity. The theme track for the movie is also an amazing dubstep track.

I would watch I Spit On Your Grave first, but thats me.

[Destroit]

Serbian Film is the top of the "disturbing/gross/ect ect ect"

I can honestly say that nothing tops Serbian Film for depravity. The theme track for the movie is also an amazing dubstep track.

I would watch I Spit On Your Grave first, but thats me.

Fair enough. We keep basically daring each other with A Serbian Film, just like we did with One Man One Jar . So since we still haven't even seen the latter, it's probably going to be a minute before we're all drunk enough at the same time to buckle down and go through A Serbian Film. So maybe we will end up watching ISOYG first.

Fair enough. We keep basically daring each other with A Serbian Film, just like we did with One Man One Jar . So since we still haven't even seen the latter, it's probably going to be a minute before we're all drunk enough at the same time to buckle down and go through A Serbian Film. So maybe we will end up watching ISOYG first.

[DJ Nocker]

Fair enough. We keep basically daring each other with A Serbian Film, just like we did with One Man One Jar . So since we still haven't even seen the latter, it's probably going to be a minute before we're all drunk enough at the same time to buckle down and go through A Serbian Film. So maybe we will end up watching ISOYG first.

oh dont watch it drunk, it takes away from the potential feeling and turns into a shout fest about "getting owned". lol

I am about to watch ISOYG... Ironically I am pouring myself a jin martini (I had a craving for it even though i dislike jin). cya in a couple hours with a report.

[Destroit]

oh dont watch it drunk, it takes away from the potential feeling and turns into a shout fest about "getting owned". lol

I am about to watch ISOYG... Ironically I am pouring myself a jin martini (I had a craving for it even though i dislike jin). cya in a couple hours with a report.

Hypocrite . Btw, gin goes REALLY good in straight black coffee. It's the only thing I'll drink it with, discovered it on accident a few years ago out of necessity. Enjoy the film.

Hypocrite . Btw, gin goes REALLY good in straight black coffee. It's the only thing I'll drink it with, discovered it on accident a few years ago out of necessity. Enjoy the film.

[hunhee]

Awesome, we can talk about it at Mars Bar

I havent seen "Let Me In" yet because I dont like how people are calling it the best AMERICAN horror film in 20 years....when its a remake of a Swedish film that is only like 2 or 3 years old -_-

The original "I Spit On Your Grave" has not aged well, so be ready. I have a good feeling about the remake.

Hmm.. I guess I'm so far removed from caring about the reviews a bunch of people make about a movie (because in the past I have been steered WAAAAY off by them). I just watch what I find interesting, and then I form my own opinion on it. I actually didn't mean to switch the topic from ISOYG to "Let The Right One In/Let Me In". That's why I didn't even mention my feeling regarding either of them, just mentioning that I saw both of them to make the comparison, as a point of reference.

As for ISOYG (the original), I am well used to re-watching things and being completely disappointed in them; so much so, that I changed my mental view on it, and try to remind myself of the technology and the artistic flair (with their allowed budgets), and their efforts for the time. I find that I am less disappointed when go into it with that mentality.

God, now I wanna call Thomas Video up and ask them if they've got both..

Edited February 13, 2011 by hunhee

[DJ Nocker]

Hmm.. I guess I'm so far removed from caring about the reviews a bunch of people make about a movie (because in the past I have been steered WAAAAY off by them). I just watch what I find interesting, and then I form my own opinion on it. I actually didn't mean to switch the topic from ISOYG to "Let The Right One In/Let Me In". That's why I didn't even mention my feeling regarding either of them, just mentioning that I saw both of them to make the comparison, as a point of reference.

As for ISOYG (the original), I am well used to re-watching things and being completely disappointed in them; so much so, that I changed my mental view on it, and try to remind myself of the technology and the artistic flair (with their allowed budgets), and their efforts for the time. I find that I am less disappointed when go into it with that mentality.

God, now I wanna call Thomas Video up and ask them if they've got both..

I know they at least have the original.

I just finished the movie.

I liked it alot. Some of the torture scenes were a little unrealistic, but they were still awesome. Great effects. A lot more dark and brooding. The musical score was great. I am glad I spent the money to buy it. One of the better remakes of a horror film I have seen.

[hunhee]

I know they at least have the original.

I just finished the movie.

I liked it alot. Some of the torture scenes were a little unrealistic, but they were still awesome. Great effects. A lot more dark and brooding. The musical score was great. I am glad I spent the money to buy it. One of the better remakes of a horror film I have seen.

Yeah.. I just called them after I posted, some asshole has it checked out (I just assume they're an asshole, cause they're getting in the way of my movie enjoyment), I gotta wait till tomorrow to see if s/he returned it.. hehe I was also checking on Netflix, I don't have an account, but thought maybe I should re-start it. I'm kinda not normal when it comes to things like that, I haven't seen conventional TV in almost five years, and just recently re-initiated my internet after a two year break.

Anywho, they didn't have the new one either. :/ I hate waiting.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, at least you didn't feel like you've wasted a couple hours. I just watched the trailer on the internet. Looks bloody.

Edited February 14, 2011 by hunhee

[the eternal]

Mr. Eternal, let me explain again... FIRST OFF, not every movie I am excited about happens to have rape in it, prime example would be "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnasus", which I made a thread for. A movie by my(probably)favorite director, Terry Gilliam (Which if I remember correctly, none of his movies have rape scenarios in them). Another instance is the movie "Franklyn" which i posted about...and got like 1 reply, and its a FANTASY movie. I will admit first hand that horror, exploitation, and arthouse are my favorite types of movies. I also find it to be very interesting how society views rape to be worse than death, which is another reason I like these films, the psychology/taboo behind the stuff interests me. But seriously, take a look at my movie collection and you will see its not all rape films, Ill PM you a link to my IMDB list if you like. I don't like movies JUST because of them having rape/brutality in them, I fucking hate the "August Underground" series, and many others of the "extreme" variety. There has to be a certain atmosphere/color/undertone...something. I don't just get hyped over any violent movie.

On to "I Spit On Your Grave"

Movies like "ISOYG" "Cannibal Holocaust" and all the other "Video Nasties" of that era, are very important films, regardless how degrading and poorly made you may think they are. They are part of a specific time in film history. Are they masterpieces, hell no...well not many of them at least. As for the rave reviews, I meant in the horror and exploitation world, not pop culture like "Variety". Obviously they wont like it, LoL. And they apparently added a lot more atmosphere to the remake, which is something I look forward to seeing, as the original is actually pretty boring if you watch it today.

As for the whole explaining of the care giver in Let Me In...Sorry I don't like things to be spelled out in black and white for me, I like to put my own thoughts into it once in a while. To quote David Lynch

"Life never gives you all the answers, why should film be any different?"

I will be watching the remake today, and Ill be sure to post what I thought about it later, hope I can meet you at Industrial Tuesday so we can actually have a conversation some time. I think you will be surprised.

EDIT: And Thankskilling is funny as all get out.

Gobble gobble Motherfucker!

PM me your IMDB List

I love Terry Gilliam! (At least from what I've seen) Brazil is one of my Top 10 movies.

If anyone's reading this and has NOT seen Brazil, go rent it now.

Hunhee, I'm sure you've seen it, but I still recommend asking for Brazil when you call

Thomas Video. It'll be a much better evening.

OK, since I'm not on the board as much as I'd like to, I missed the Franklyn thread.

That said, despite your love for all things movies, you don't seem to be fixated on

"horror, exploitation, and arthouse" you seem constantly to get excited about torture porn/rapesploitation.

Irreversible/Serbian Film/Grave, etc.

You even started a thread, which I still can't be sure if you were just trying to shock everyone,

which talked about sexy horror films.

Now there would be some great examples like the Hunger or Angel Heart

(even though those are kind of horror lite)

And you picked an actual good movie, but a really fucking disturbing movie. The woman would cut off pieces of her skin.

I can't remember the name off-hand, but it was the kind of movie that NO ONE finds erotic.

They may like it, and say "Whoa that's fucked up" but not get turned on.

I always think about what I write, and how people may perceive it.

The way you write, it really seems like you get a hard-on every time a rape or disturbing shit comes on.

It's very simple. Rape IS worse than death. WAYYY worse.

Death is natural.

Violating someone. Taking away their core. Their innocence. Their self-direction. Autonomy.

and emotionally scarring them with something haunting they will never forget...

is a LOT worse than dying.

You're dead. WTF do you care?

I find this a lot harder for other men to understand than women for some reason.

Except Cher "Ayn Rand" nobyl. but that's because she's 1/2 woman 1/2 fearless Cyborg

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Let Me In--

I get that we don't need to be told everything.

In fact, that's why crime movies or pay cable shows are almost always better than shows on reg TV. CSI, NCIS spell EVERYTHING out. They spend so much time explaining, there's less time for buildup and excitement. That approach would have killed The Dragon Tattoo movies or Dexter.

That said, if you don't know enough about characters, you often don't care as much about them.

I felt that fleshing out the caregiver, deepened my appreciation for him and the acid he dumped on his face.

I love movies that make me feel something. There's a difference between being spelled out and being given enough development to give a shit.

That was the problem with Lost Highway.

I love David Lynch, but there's a reason why Mullholland Drive, a fucked-up dream-like ball of confusion connected with audiences and LH didn't.

I love Eraserhead, which creates more questions than answers, but I care about the guy. The freak of a baby. The lady in the radiator. I could go on.

Now THAT is what I'd call the textbook definition of an art film.

Hmm.. I guess I'm so far removed from caring about the reviews a bunch of people make about a movie (because in the past I have been steered WAAAAY off by them). I just watch what I find interesting, and then I form my own opinion on it. I actually didn't mean to switch the topic from ISOYG to "Let The Right One In/Let Me In". That's why I didn't even mention my feeling regarding either of them, just mentioning that I saw both of them to make the comparison, as a point of reference.

As for ISOYG (the original), I am well used to re-watching things and being completely disappointed in them; so much so, that I changed my mental view on it, and try to remind myself of the technology and the artistic flair (with their allowed budgets), and their efforts for the time. I find that I am less disappointed when go into it with that mentality.

God, now I wanna call Thomas Video up and ask them if they've got both..

Here's the two clichés I set up in my post.

The part about liking the added depth (Cliché #1 Don't explain I can think for myself)

The part about reviews (Cliché #2 I don't read reviews I like what I like)

These clichés are ever more present on this board because this board and alternative/goth culture in general has a very libertarian viewpoint of "Hey this is me I do what I want independently and don't need to be told otherwise"

I LOVE METACRITIC (metacritic.com)

Here's why. I don't just look at the scores. I look at WHY the critics liked/disliked it.

OFTEN times I'll see a movie they don't like because their review said things that make me want to

see the movie.

The other thing is movie critics see movies all the time, so they usually reward fresh movies.

Movies that bring something not seen in awhile.

The SAW movies, guilty pleasure flicks at best, are all hits (except among critics)

Let me In and Drag Me To Hell TOTAL fucking box office bombs.

You know what?

They were right! Those are two of the best movies to come out in the past couple years.

They're fun. They have great acting, interesting plots, and I wanted to see more when it was done.

I don't always want that. Sometimes I just want sit down with some popcorn and watch Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter take out a clown car overflowing with radical atheists.

But the critics, although I don't always like what they say, can really inform.(w/o telling you the entire fucking movie, the way Wikipedia entries always do.)

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Final note: Everyone tells me you're a cool guy to be around and I look forward to reading your IMDB list and seeing you at Industrial Night, but I still can't tell if you love rape or the shock value it produces.

[hunhee]

Umm, Hunhee, you told me seeing it was a waste of time.

Of course, I vehemently disagree.

Let the Right One In was awesome.

Let Me In was awesome.

It WAS a little redundant. Kinda like when you hear a cover song that follows it so much like the original, that even if you like the singer, you think "Was it necessary?"

Still the fact that if I HADN'T seen the original, I would've thought it was amazing, says something.

They didn't water it down.

They didn't Americanize it.

The acting was great.

In ONE instance they improved on the original (IMHO)

I liked that, instead of leaving it ambiguous as to the morals and intentions and even history of the caregiver, in the new version they deepen his role.

We can tell how much he loves her, and that it's not creepy, because he was the same as that little boy 40 years earlier.

And as the movie ends, we realize that the little boy will end up the same way.

It's so sad.

I can't say it's the best horror movie in 20 yrs, because it's so much a drama, that calling it horror doesn't appreciate it as a film.

OF COURSE, there is no rape in it, so it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread.

Psst.. if you read my post carefully, I didn't mention whether or not I liked the remade version or not, since this topic wasn't about "Let The Right One In/Let Me In" I was refraining from interjecting an opinion regarding the movies, but since you did mention the fact that I told you it was a waste of my time, I can now say that I felt that it was.

The first one stood well enough on it's own. I am guessing that some of the translations were lost due to the subtitles when it came to what the relationship was between the old guy and the little vamp girl. The newer American version didn't really clarify that for me, but made it way more blatantly obvious. I am usually very good about picking up on subtle nuances of interpersonal interactions. I totally knew what that old man was, and I totally knew what that young kid was gonna be. I think the title kind of explains it for the most part. Oh gawd, I'm rambling. Anywho. Yeah, I didn't like the remake so much. It was okay, think I would have liked it better seen in the reverse order.

Edited February 14, 2011 by hunhee

[hunhee]

Oh damn! I saw Franklyn, that movie was sweet! I am sorry that I missed that thread.. I'm going to go find it and reply... may not be today tho, I'm kind of in the middle of making dinner. eheh

Edited February 14, 2011 by hunhee

[DJ Nocker]

PM me your IMDB List

OK, since I'm not on the board as much as I'd like to, I missed the Franklyn thread.

That said, despite your love for all things movies, you don't seem to be fixated on

"horror, exploitation, and arthouse" you seem constantly to get excited about torture porn/rapesploitation.

Irreversible/Serbian Film/Grave, etc.

You even started a thread, which I still can't be sure if you were just trying to shock everyone,

which talked about sexy horror films.

Now there would be some great examples like the Hunger or Angel Heart

(even though those are kind of horror lite)

And you picked an actual good movie, but a really fucking disturbing movie. The woman would cut off pieces of her skin.

I can't remember the name off-hand, but it was the kind of movie that NO ONE finds erotic.

They may like it, and say "Whoa that's fucked up" but not get turned on.

I always think about what I write, and how people may perceive it.

The way you write, it really seems like you get a hard-on every time a rape or disturbing shit comes on.

I find this a lot harder for other men to understand than women for some reason.

Except Cher "Ayn Rand" nobyl. but that's because she's 1/2 woman 1/2 fearless Cyborg

-----------------

Let Me In--

I get that we don't need to be told everything.

In fact, that's why crime movies or pay cable shows are almost always better than shows on reg TV. CSI, NCIS spell EVERYTHING out. They spend so much time explaining, there's less time for buildup and excitement. That approach would have killed The Dragon Tattoo movies or Dexter.

That said, if you don't know enough about characters, you often don't care as much about them.

I felt that fleshing out the caregiver, deepened my appreciation for him and the acid he dumped on his face.

I love movies that make me feel something. There's a difference between being spelled out and being given enough development to give a shit.

That was the problem with Lost Highway.

I love David Lynch, but there's a reason why Mullholland Drive, a fucked-up dream-like ball of confusion connected with audiences and LH didn't.

I love Eraserhead, which creates more questions than answers, but I care about the guy. The freak of a baby. The lady in the radiator. I could go on.

Now THAT is what I'd call the textbook definition of an art film.

The SAW movies, guilty pleasure flicks at best, are all hits (except among critics)

Let me In and Drag Me To Hell TOTAL fucking box office bombs.

You know what?

They were right! Those are two of the best movies to come out in the past couple years.

They're fun. They have great acting, interesting plots, and I wanted to see more when it was done.

I don't always want that. Sometimes I just want sit down with some popcorn and watch Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter take out a clown car overflowing with radical atheists.

But the critics, although I don't always like what they say, can really inform.(w/o telling you the entire fucking movie, the way Wikipedia entries always do.)

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Final note: Everyone tells me you're a cool guy to be around and I look forward to reading your IMDB list and seeing you at Industrial Night, but I still can't tell if you love rape or the shock value it produces.

Ill PM you my IMDB after this post.

The movie with the woman who cuts her body up is called "In My Skin". And I dont really care if you believe me or not, but I have shown that film to men and women of different ages (appropriate ages mind you) and have had several of them come back to me saying they found the movie erotic. and that was before I even mentioned it. Because they way the movie is shot, makes it seem that way.

The genres I stated ARE my favs, torture porn is a stupid term for a branch of extreme horror, and you can blame society that they keep being produced because society is numb to regular scares. I love all type of horror, but as of right now, the only horror movies that are coming out that are any good, happen to be extreme (the paranormal activities being an exception, and I own those). Calling "Irreversible" a rapesploitation is just wrong, its a fantastic crime/drama that happens to revolve around the rape of a woman, and it also blows "Memento" (a movie shot in the same way) out of the water. That movie is incredible, and aside from the rap scene and the opening scene, the movie is not violent.

I take into account critics...the ones that have an appreciation for the genres I enjoy. Horror and exploitation will always have a bad rep with the mainstream. And "Drag Me To Hell" was a huge upset, I had high hopes for that movie and I thought it stunk. But to each there own.

And just to make you feel better, the rape scene in the new movie isnt as long and drawn out as the original.

[the eternal]

Hunhee-- I want to say you were condescending about figuring out the caregiver in Let Me In but--

A. I can tell I offended you by talking about how you felt about the movie.

B. I've been pretty condescending myself, so I'd be quite the hypocrite to critize you.

I don't think the original movie's title spells it out, but I can see how you'd pick up on it.

As far as Drag Me To Hell, I like over-the-top horror comedies like Dead Alive and

Evil Dead 2 and felt it fit right in.

Machete was a lot of fun, because it pushed the grindhouse theme to such silly proportions.

Maybe, like the grammys, the Academy Awards should have genre awards.

There's a best animated film, which is fucking retarded,

because it's always a Pixar movie anyway.

They should have a best horror film.

Best exploitation.

Best film made under $10 million.

Even $1 million. El Mariachi and Clerks were made for less than my credit card debt.

Imagine all the others whose directors didn't go on to fame and fortune like Smith and Rodriguez.

I think one thing I like about critics and awards is that they can give exposure and legitimacy to directors that deserve it.

But only if they're recognized in the first place.

Then, MAYBE THEN, this man can finally get the respect he so richly deserves.

[DJ Nocker]

Hunhee-- I want to say you were condescending about figuring out the caregiver in Let Me In but--

A. I can tell I offended you by talking about how you felt about the movie.

B. I've been pretty condescending myself, so I'd be quite the hypocrite to critize you.

I don't think the original movie's title spells it out, but I can see how you'd pick up on it.

As far as Drag Me To Hell, I like over-the-top horror comedies like Dead Alive and

Evil Dead 2 and felt it fit right in.

Machete was a lot of fun, because it pushed the grindhouse theme to such silly proportions.

Maybe, like the grammys, the Academy Awards should have genre awards.

There's a best animated film, which is fucking retarded,

because it's always a Pixar movie anyway.

They should have a best horror film.

Best exploitation.

Best film made under $10 million.

Even $1 million. El Mariachi and Clerks were made for less than my credit card debt.

Imagine all the others whose directors didn't go on to fame and fortune like Smith and Rodriguez.

I think one thing I like about critics and awards is that they can give exposure and legitimacy to directors that deserve it.

But only if they're recognized in the first place.

Then, MAYBE THEN, this man can finally get the respect he so richly deserves.

As I said, horror and exploitation arent appreciated in pop culture. Only 1 horror movie has ever won a big award, and it wasnt even a horror, it was technically a thriller (the movie being "Silence Of The Lambs")

Only Award show I pay attention to is the scream awards. But even those aren't very good, they do pay attention to foreign/unknown stuff though. Maybe ISOYG (2010) will be nominated for something this year.

Edited February 14, 2011 by DJ Nocker

[hunhee]

Hunhee-- I want to say you were condescending about figuring out the caregiver in Let Me In but--

A. I can tell I offended you by talking about how you felt about the movie.

B. I've been pretty condescending myself, so I'd be quite the hypocrite to critize you.

I don't think the original movie's title spells it out, but I can see how you'd pick up on it.

Okay, I was not offended at all by your talking about me, talking about the film, I was just pointing out the fact that I didn't mention my opinion about the film, because I used my use of comparison of the film and not what I felt about the film to explain my usual patterns on movie watching.

If I were offended, you'd know about it. Trust me. Nor did I feel that I was in any way condescending in my post. So I think you inflected more of your own emotions than any emotional undertones I may have placed in the post (that I was aware of).

So many topics on DGN go way off topic (like this one has, now) because too many people try to derail the original topic. My post now no longer has anything to do with ISOYG and has everything to do with me trying to explain to you that I wasn't trying to be offensive or condescending in any way on my post. I honestly don't have the time or energy for it.

Maybe I just won't post anything at all anymore and keep my posting to staff chat. I apologize if you took my post to be offensive. *shrugs* don't know what else to say.

[DJ Nocker]

Okay, I was not offended at all by your talking about me, talking about the film, I was just pointing out the fact that I didn't mention my opinion about the film, because I used my use of comparison of the film and not what I felt about the film to explain my usual patterns on movie watching.

If I were offended, you'd know about it. Trust me. Nor did I feel that I was in any way condescending in my post. So I think you inflected more of your own emotions than any emotional undertones I may have placed in the post (that I was aware of).

So many topics on DGN go way off topic (like this one has, now) because too many people try to derail the original topic. My post now no longer has anything to do with ISOYG and has everything to do with me trying to explain to you that I wasn't trying to be offensive or condescending in any way on my post. I honestly don't have the time or energy for it.

Maybe I just won't post anything at all anymore and keep my posting to staff chat. I apologize if you took my post to be offensive. *shrugs* don't know what else to say.

*sigh* this is why we cant have nice things... way to go peeps.

Anyways, just let my girlfriends brother borrow it, wondering what his opinion will be as he holds the original in high regards.

[wormsinwombs]

Umm, Hunhee, you told me seeing it was a waste of time.

Of course, I vehemently disagree.

Let the Right One In was awesome.

Let Me In was awesome.

It WAS a little redundant. Kinda like when you hear a cover song that follows it so much like the original, that even if you like the singer, you think "Was it necessary?"

Still the fact that if I HADN'T seen the original, I would've thought it was amazing, says something.

They didn't water it down.

They didn't Americanize it.

The acting was great.

In ONE instance they improved on the original (IMHO)

I liked that, instead of leaving it ambiguous as to the morals and intentions and even history of the caregiver, in the new version they deepen his role.

We can tell how much he loves her, and that it's not creepy, because he was the same as that little boy 40 years earlier.

And as the movie ends, we realize that the little boy will end up the same way.

It's so sad.

I can't say it's the best horror movie in 20 yrs, because it's so much a drama, that calling it horror doesn't appreciate it as a film.

OF COURSE, there is no rape in it, so it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread.

Ugh I hate when people say thats what the little boy will turn into. If youve read any reviews on people who actually read the book the caretaker and the vampire have an agreement and the caretaker is a pedo. It's not at all the same relationship as "she" has with oscar. I haven't seen the remake and I'm not interested in seeing it because it will probably piss me off.

[the eternal]

Okay, I was not offended at all by your talking about me, talking about the film, I was just pointing out the fact that I didn't mention my opinion about the film, because I used my use of comparison of the film and not what I felt about the film to explain my usual patterns on movie watching.

If I were offended, you'd know about it. Trust me. Nor did I feel that I was in any way condescending in my post. So I think you inflected more of your own emotions than any emotional undertones I may have placed in the post (that I was aware of).

So many topics on DGN go way off topic (like this one has, now) because too many people try to derail the original topic. My post now no longer has anything to do with ISOYG and has everything to do with me trying to explain to you that I wasn't trying to be offensive or condescending in any way on my post. I honestly don't have the time or energy for it.

Maybe I just won't post anything at all anymore and keep my posting to staff chat. I apologize if you took my post to be offensive. *shrugs* don't know what else to say.

Awwww. This is so sweet. Our first fight. If we were dating, we could kiss and make up.

It's funny the way words can take on different meanings on a page.

"So I think you inflected more of your own emotions than any emotional undertones I may have placed in the post"

Ummm...no. Not at all. You really couldn't be more off.

I call em like I see em. In this case I may have been wrong.

So be it.

I for one LIKE derailments now and again. They used to be fun! Things would get serious. People would derail it and then it would get back on track.

Besides, we're the only ones that have something to say on this topic. No one else is jumping in. As a bonus, we got to discuss ANOTHER movie--Let Me In

It's two posts in one!

I have to admit I did like when you posted "If I were offended, you'd know about it" All I could think of was this.

OH SNAP!

Talking about the way words appear on the page, you took my words REALLY STRONGLY.

I half-heartedly criticize you and THEN slam myself for being condescending and you threaten to leave the board (except for staff chat)

Wow! Alrighty then.

I had a smile on my face when I made my original post.

Hell I've been TEN TIMES as mean to Nocker and he never reacts like that.

(Damn you Nocker, how am I supposed to hate you when you're being so damn nice to me?)

"I apologize if you took my post to be offensive."

But I didn't. I said I probably offended you.

Everyone loves you so much, (I'm being serious here) you must not be used to getting criticism are you?.

Nocker and I get it so much, we're old pros.

Honestly, if I had ANY idea how you'd react, I wouldn't have posted a half-hearted criticism.

Ugh I hate when people say thats what the little boy will turn into. If you've read any reviews on people who actually read the book the caretaker and the vampire have an agreement and the caretaker is a pedo. It's not at all the same relationship as "she" has with oscar. I haven't seen the remake and I'm not interested in seeing it because it will probably piss me off.

"If you've read any reviews on people who actually read the book"

Umm, no offense, but why the hell would I read any reviews ON people who read the book.

Why would anyone critique book readers?

And why would I give a shit about them anyway?

Anyway, the original movie was very ambiguous when it came to that theme. It would be very easy to draw the conclusion you mentioned.

I guess I liked then this new take on it. It makes it more tragic. He's not a disgusting pedophile in this version. (Not that it was explicit in the original movie) He's someone being scorned for the new younger model. It adds a twist.

Both character developments for the caregiver are interesting in their own ways.

[wormsinwombs]

I guess I'm the only person who likes to get comparisons of books to movies and also to discuss movies I really like with people on other message board so sue me. To me making him a young oskar makes no sense because there is absolutely no affection when eli talks to hakan not even a glimmer of oh we once were friends or liked each other. and you get the feeling that she genuinely likes oskar I saw no sign of him being used. Also that twist takes a lot of the love and friendship story they built up out of it makes it seem pretty pointless to me.

[DJ Nocker]

I guess I'm the only person who likes to get comparisons of books to movies and also to discuss movies I really like with people on other message board so sue me. To me making him a young oskar makes no sense because there is absolutely no affection when eli talks to hakan not even a glimmer of oh we once were friends or liked each other. and you get the feeling that she genuinely likes oskar I saw no sign of him being used. Also that twist takes a lot of the love and friendship story they built up out of it makes it seem pretty pointless to me.

I hate reading, books and movies are different worlds to me, so I could care less how much one is like the other in any circumstance. I will always get more out of films than books. Even when I story tell for role playing games, I write the scenes out in script form more so than a book.

Edit: @ Eternal, whenever you get mad at rape movies or something I say, I just write you off as being over sensitive, so no worries

Edited February 18, 2011 by DJ Nocker