Paper Hearts

You are more serious than you thought.

You seriously are making me sad.

You seriously were away for a long time again! When are you next going to spend some serious time here? We seriously miss you.

Reactor Party~Shitdisco

nice one.

--Electronic-- Get The Message

Thank you. -Seriously.

I seriously am asking you that and I expect a serious response.

Are you serious?

I seriously hope that you don't think that you can leave for weeks and then just come back and start acting serious again, as if nothing happened.

Disco Blood~Shitdisco

All Night Disco Party~Brakes

Because he might get greedy and try to seize control of a small, land-locked city, such as Roseville. Wouldn't iron curtains kind of be cool to have in your home?

Yep. Gee, Phee really is a swell fella. Do you think he will succeed or just suck?

Sorry, I derailed you a bit. My fault. And the New Kids on the Block were awesome, I agree. -Because where would the scene be today if decent children didn't have something to rebel against? Influence/counter-influence/etc. Yes, I know you weren't talking about the New Kids on the Block. I'm such a bastard.

Yes, it was a response to your post. No worries. To paraphrase my meaning, one can't show up in a scene after the fact and then (for example) say, "That was not punk rock, this is punk rock!", I mean one can, but when it's all done and over, people are bound to think, "no, that was something a bit different", not really meaning that one style was greater than the other. Many bands did just that, although some of them I liked or still like a bit, such as the Dead Kennedys. It's fair to say it was "hardcore punk" or something, but actual punk rock is something very different, and it was sort of done for, once hardcore took hold and began a greater influence...and punk was probably on it's way out anyway, which necessitated that new direction. But of course, it all happens quite naturally and gradually. But if a band already has the advantage of a "historical" perspective, where they can weigh all the aspects of a genre and pick and choose what to exclude, what to exaggerate, what to infuse in addition, and many bands are sort of taking the same approach, a new genre is born. I think it's sort of abstract to say something like, "Pink Floyd had a sad, dark song or two, so they are goth rock." -Obviously the comparison one makes in citing goth demonstrates that there was an actual movement called that, in this case years later, and no, Pink Floyd wasn't a part of that and probably made no significant mark as a catalyst for it's appearance--albeit, years beyond, Daniel Ash did show some interest in that other type of music in some songs he wrote.

^I don't necessarily dislike the hardcore movement, but if one considers it non objectively, one should, by now, have the conclusion that it was not the same. It was not the same for various social factors that indeed made it a significant genre of it's own right. I suppose that when one speaks of comprehensive, however, the original music and it's prototypes should be included. Perhaps not. I will say, however, that the critics are people involved in the scenes, many times as participating musicians, and they are people whom study music as a passion and the things they write are not so inaccessible that busy people have to be kept in the dark. I think if you're interested in something, then you'll read about it; I don't go on pretending that whatever I listened to is automatically punk rock because I would like for it to have been called that, I'm not so romantic in that sense. http://www.fastnbulbous.com/punk.htm http://www.southendpunk.com/ http://www.punk77.co.uk/ http://www.cbgb.com/history1.htm

Seriously, I don't think the kids know who Buckwheat was, any more.

In fact, if you can find a tie with SpongeBob on it, people will seriously like you.

You should seriously wear a tie. Although, last I had an interview, my daughter told me that my tie was boring. Make sure you wear an exciting tie.

Yes, please; with cow milk all over it.

Jesus must get awful hungry up there.

^Actually, let me pose this question, if I may: Do you feel that without the appearance of "hardcore" goth music would yet be more like the music of the Banshees, or is it due in good part to hardcore that goth rock is not like the music of Siouxsie Sioux/Robert Smith anymore, but actually like whatever Marylin Manson is producing? I didn't make the distinction when I was into my hardcore phase, truly; to me it was just punk rock, but I think looking back and considering the entire phenomenon, aside from those sort of leftover bands from the mid 70s which were still together making albums, punk was never the same again, the critics are right. Bands like the Damned changed over the years a bit, but they weren't at all in the same vein as the new music parading as punk or goth, through their various changes. Not really to belittle hardcore, but it's just important to make reference to the actual definition.

-Definitely not, the hardcore people were actually trying to preserve punk rock by making this hyper-noncommercial music, but they inadvertently destroyed punk, probably no one involved realized the effects of any of it, but punk was never about trying to make things the radio wouldn't play so much as it was about trying to make really different music that some radio might give attention to; punk was sexy and narcissistic, nihilistic, hooligan, where as hardcore was more belligerant and asskicking, it didn't have the same art to it. I mean, one can't change something and still have the same thing afterwards. And I can sort of remember the start of hardcore, I was one of those skater kids who used to listen to it...I won't say I was there at the very beginning, but, early 80s. And I also remember hearing Adam and the Ants music when it was new because I have an older sister who was in the fan club. So, one doesn't have to look far to notice differences between the music of Television or the Talking Heads, the Jam and the music of the Dead Kennedys, the Misfits, Minor Threat; hardcore really has many heavy metal references in addition to punk references, too many, as it were...and once the spirit of something is changed, it's something different, is it not?

^It's sort of difficult to ignore the "new romantics", sort of Vivienne Westwood connection if it is a goal to have a comprehensive "goth" song que. What the music really was, before the kind of part-time metal kids came along and killed it, killed punk rock (killed goth), was punk rock--and I just mean that the moment you change something you've done exactly that; I'm not biased against the sort of metal/punk fusion, "hardcore", whatever, but it really shattered what the music was, forever...and it's a partially reactionary movement to many gen x bands going pseudo commercial (fair enough) but it mostly sprang from a gross misunderstanding of punk rock, itself. -Once the music reached people who couldn't understand it, there wasn't much point to it, anyway, I suppose but if one compares a late 70s California band like Misfits to the Jam, per se, what you really find is a group of kids trying hard to appear hard through over distorted guitar sounds and almost hysterically belligerent lyrics imagery as opposed to an actual socio-artistic enigma. The hardcore goth/punk stuff is really more of a bad cartoon drawn by really unaffected people. And I am still recommending ‘No More Heros’, Stranglers. It illustrates a lot about the goth movement and somewhat related styles like Synth pop. And it was the terror of the British radio in 1977--quite a catchy song and probably quintessential for understanding the actual movement and all it's influences. Lyrics: Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky? He got an ice pick That made his ears burn Whatever happened to dear old Lenny? The great Elmyra and Sancho Panza? Whatever happened to the heroes? Whatever happened to the heroes? Whatever happened to all the heroes? All the Shakespearoes? They watched their Rome burn Whatever happened to all the heroes? Whatever happened to all the heroes? No more heroes any more No more heroes any more