[AntiHero]

Ten years ago, before I ever heard the word Goth, those of us with an alternative style of dress were labeled "freaks". I did fall into this category. I pioneered the long chains at my school by attaching two 5 foot dog chains with distinct links to my harley wallet. Now that I am putting outfits together again, I'm struggling to find a new look.
Trying to blend something masculine and feminine into one package. Something almost "traditional" Goth, with something new, edgy, gritty. Something that says I have a bit of a naughty, sexual streak, but I could at the same time be just some hardass dressing in a risque fashion. Recently I have blended fishnets, striped thigh highs, and hosiery with combat boots and black shorts. Apparently I pulled off the look.
Thinking about buying a pair of cheap dress pants, preferably pin striped and having them cut and hemmed into a pair of shorts, that sit at just that right height above the knee, not too high (hot pants) and not too low. Something to complement my hosiery. Maybe a matching vest with coservative shirt and tie, untucked.
OR, the hose' and the combat boots with a chainmail skirt, and my leather vest. Any thoughts are welcome, look forward to exchangin ideas.

[BrassFusion]

Three words: Khakis and Izods.

If you're real, it doesn't matter what you wear. Dressing up is fun, but if you don't want to look like everyone else at places like mephisto's and city club, you probably want to get away from chains and leather and vinyl and black. If looking like everyone else at either of those places DOESN'T bother you, then go right along witchyour badself and I'll wear my hoodie every other week. =D It's fucking cold in there, brah!

I AM THE PIONEER OF THE ANTIGOTH FASHION KRAZE!!

[DeadBurgerKing]

I usually add completly diffrent genres of trend together to make my own...for example I tend to sport two diffrent shades of blue hair (punk), fishnet shirt with a black tee over that with my arm warmers(goth-esque), with my goggles on my forehead (cyber-goth), black khakis with the legs tucked into spiked combat boots (goth and punk-esque)...thats my usualy get-up(considering i dont have much money to get any more neat-o stuff) Apparently, with that get up, I now have a fashion sense. Multiple people have complimented it...Who knew?

[BrassFusion]

I usually add completly diffrent genres of trend together to make my own...for example I tend to sport two diffrent shades of blue hair (punk), fishnet shirt with a black tee over that with my arm warmers(goth-esque), with my goggles on my forehead (cyber-goth), black khakis with the legs tucked into spiked combat boots (goth and punk-esque)...thats my usualy get-up(considering i dont have much money to get any more neat-o stuff) Apparently, with that get up, I now have a fashion sense. Multiple people have complimented it...Who knew?

It's not a "genre," it's just the clothes you're wearing. Any clothes you wear that you feel need to be described by a "genre" are probably played out and poserish... unless you just like the way you look in them and THAT'S why you wear them.

Btw, khaki is a color.

[DeadBurgerKing]

ok to the khakis thing...khakis is another word for slacks or trousers...khakis has been used to describe kinds of pants..as well as color (non plural "khaki")...look it up...

khak‧i  /ˈkæki, ˈkɑki/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kak-ee, kah-kee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural khak‧is, adjective

–noun 1. dull yellowish brown.
2. a stout, twilled cotton cloth of this color, used esp. in making uniforms.
3. Usually, khakis. (used with a plural verb) a. a uniform made of this cloth, esp. a military uniform.
b. a garment made of this cloth, esp. trousers.

4. a similar fabric of wool.
–adjective 5. of the color khaki.
6. made of khaki.

Secondly I was using the term "genre" to help describe my "look"

This post has been edited by deadburgerking: 11 October 2006 - 11:20 PM

[BrassFusion]

Every one of those definitions referred back to the khaki color specified in the first definition. I thought you'd've learned by now to not question me on these sorts of things.

And if you need to take every article of clothing you wear and explain how it fits into a certain "genre" or "look," you worry way too much about what you wear. Appearances just aren't that important, people.

[DeadBurgerKing]

What part of:

"3. Usually, khakis. (used with a plural verb) a. a uniform made of this cloth, esp. a military uniform.
b. a garment made of this cloth, esp. trousers. "

dont u understand...khaki=color but when used in a plural form it's describing pants...

And when have you known me to woory about "how I look" other than when my arm warmers slide down and I ask for help sliding them back up...I was simply using the terms to help describe my appearance to Antihero in hope of helping them discover a new fashion...
Why are you making my suggestions into a debate? I made a statement...leave it at that...

This post has been edited by deadburgerking: 11 October 2006 - 11:37 PM

[BrassFusion]

What part of:

"3. Usually, khakis. (used with a plural verb) a. a uniform made of this cloth, esp. a military uniform.
b. a garment made of this cloth, esp. trousers. "

dont u understand...khaki=color but when used in a plural form it's describing pants...

And when have you known me to woory about "how I look" other than when my arm warmers slide down and I ask for help sliding them back up...I was simply using the terms to help describe my appearance to Antihero in hope of helping them discover a new fashion...
Why are you making my suggestions into a debate? I made a statement...leave it at that...

when it says "this cloth" it's referring to the cloth it described already as a dull yellowish brown color. and as for the rest of it... y'know, fuck it. if everyone else needs to validate what they want to wear by what everyone else is or isn't wearing, fine. and when you say that your attire is "punk-" or "goth-inspired," that's exactly what you're doing.

[DeadBurgerKing]

Usually, khakis. (used with a plural verb) a. a uniform made of this cloth, esp. a military uniform.
b. a garment made of this cloth, esp. trousers.

Ok, let me break this down for you..."usually khakis (used with a plural verb)" meaning the word khaki combined with a plural ('s') describes A: "a uniform made of this cloth., esp. a military uniform"... example:

"This khakis military uniform is made from khaki."

or example B: "a garment made of this cloth, esp. trousers"...example:

"These trousers are made from khaki, I know...let's call them khakiS!"

And again...I was simply using the termology to have an easier time describing my style...example:

"Blue hair is to punk, as wag is to tail."

If I was trying to describe my "wag"...I would use the word "tail" to do so...because people tend to feel those words go together... get it?

[Onyx]

Appearances just aren't that important, people.

Noooooo! How can you say that! Appearance is everything!


Heh heh. Not really, but fashion is so much fun.
I notice when I have something fun to wear it cheers me up. It makes me happy. I especially love it when guys try to create a unique look. It's one of the reasons I like going to goth clubs. It's also one of the reasons I find a lot of mainstream guys boring since they pay little to no attention to their appearance, and if and when they do it's the same old look.

Yeah, you can go overboard with it too, but I'd rather see a little more creativity than less. It's harder for guys I think because they have fewer choices, so when they do get creative it makes more of an impression. I like fishnet on everyone. I know it's a cliche sort of look but I still love it. Antihero - some of your ideas sound good to me. I like the combat boots and chainmail skirt idea.

We need photos

[Homicidalheathen]

As I got older I have had to adjust my wardrobe so I don't look.......uh........totally stupid and rediculous? So I will wear something more demure and classic but its still.......ALL BLACK. Sorry, I can't help myself. I am addicted to black. No wait, maybe its the only color that doesn't hurt my eyes after being up all night.

[Fierce Critter]

if everyone else needs to validate what they want to wear by what everyone else is or isn't wearing, fine. and when you say that your attire is "punk-" or "goth-inspired," that's exactly what you're doing.

Seeing how the actual subject of this thread is "goth fashion," I really don't think DBK is validating what he wears by saying it's "punk" or "goth-inspired". Seems to me he's just keeping with the subject by ascribing a description to the fashions he chooses for the sake of simplicity.

This sort of thing has come up dozens of times on DGN over the years, about everything from the music a person likes, to the clothes they wear, to the type of dancing they do, etc. It usually devolves into a big debate over labels.

I think it's pretty absurd to judge a person's choices because they ascribe a certain descriptive label for the purpose of simplifying a conversation point.

If that were the case, you'd have to say a person is validating what they want to wear when they say "it's from Hudsons" or "It's pretty" or "it's preppy" or "It's geeky" or "it's disheveled".

Seems to me to just be a way of giving a visual feel to the words.

Now on that note, it might seem that AntiHero is, in fact, trying to validate her fashion choices by pretty much describing some outfits she has or is thinking about putting together and then saying, "what do you think?" But I think she's looking more for a "that would be cool" or "that would be great, but how about also adding..." response than "no, that goes against section 5 paragraph B of 'The Concise Rules of What Does and Does Not Constitute Goth Fashion,' so don't do it."

[BrassFusion]

I'll admit right now that I was being a bitch about it. But yeah, "preppy" and "geeky" are almost as meaningless as "goth" and "punk." Only difference is that "preppy" and "geeky" tend to be pejorative... clothing worn by preps and geeks.

To call your outfit "goth" or "punk" would imply that what you wear is worn by "goths" and "punks" in general. While there IS no dress code, labeling your attire as such seems to seek to establish one. So there's the negative. And the positive? There is none. It's ambiguous labeling.

[Fierce Critter]

I'll admit right now that I was being a bitch about it. But yeah, "preppy" and "geeky" are almost as meaningless as "goth" and "punk." Only difference is that "preppy" and "geeky" tend to be pejorative... clothing worn by preps and geeks.

To call your outfit "goth" or "punk" would imply that what you wear is worn by "goths" and "punks" in general. While there IS no dress code, labeling your attire as such seems to seek to establish one. So there's the negative. And the positive? There is none. It's ambiguous labeling.

I don't know. I don't see ambiguity as a necessarily negative thing where conversation is concerned. In fact, I find it pretty neutral.

I'm a little curious as to why you're "being a bitch" about it anyway.

Thing is, this is a board that is self-labled as "goth". You're going to come in here and find the "goth" "lable" thrown about preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttyy frequently.

If I had a problem with, say, those who consider themselves "preppy" in a positive light and who started a board called "DetroitPrep.net", I'd find it kind of absurd to go in there and start telling people that they're a bunch of idiots if they lable themselves. Seems a no-brainer to me.

I don't really understand the rancor of those who do so. Seems like self-torture of sorts.

<--- Considers this might need to be split into a new thread if it's going to go on. Moderators?

[BrassFusion]

Bam.

[DeadBurgerKing]

Seeing how the actual subject of this thread is "goth fashion," I really don't think DBK is validating what he wears by saying it's "punk" or "goth-inspired". Seems to me he's just keeping with the subject by ascribing a description to the fashions he chooses for the sake of simplicity.

This sort of thing has come up dozens of times on DGN over the years, about everything from the music a person likes, to the clothes they wear, to the type of dancing they do, etc. It usually devolves into a big debate over labels.

I think it's pretty absurd to judge a person's choices because they ascribe a certain descriptive label for the purpose of simplifying a conversation point.

If that were the case, you'd have to say a person is validating what they want to wear when they say "it's from Hudsons" or "It's pretty" or "it's preppy" or "It's geeky" or "it's disheveled".

Seems to me to just be a way of giving a visual feel to the words.

Now on that note, it might seem that AntiHero is, in fact, trying to validate her fashion choices by pretty much describing some outfits she has or is thinking about putting together and then saying, "what do you think?" But I think she's looking more for a "that would be cool" or "that would be great, but how about also adding..." response than "no, that goes against section 5 paragraph B of 'The Concise Rules of What Does and Does Not Constitute Goth Fashion,' so don't do it."

Thank you...I'm done...

[Hellion]

I usually make my own goth jewelry,and I also fabricate stuff I have bought at hot topic,and have made
several other things from scratch,scrap metal and old machine chains are my specialty.

[AntiHero]

Fierce Critter, I'm a dude bud. But if you think I could make a sexy, bulky, built woman that's all the more flattering. I guess I'm trying to be different, maybe turn a few heads. I just feel this need to find my own thing, and now that I'm a bit more mature, and secure in myself, I feel that my wardrobe choices have expanded a little. Thanks for all of the replies on the subject though.

WE ARE NOT YOUR FUCKING KHAKIS.

[Saephyr]

I just threw together what I liked all these years really :peanutbutterjellytime

They used to call me...punk but even if they change the same a thousand times, I think it's just being fun like Onyx said...just have fun with it and enjoy how you look fat, skinny, goth, punk, prep, jock and all of it. I mean really if you don't like how you look then why on earth wear it? Wouldn't thsat be like wearing a uniform for a job or something?

[Fierce Critter]

Fierce Critter, I'm a dude bud. But if you think I could make a sexy, bulky, built woman that's all the more flattering.

My apologies. I haven't been reading intro posts lately, and made my best guess based on the clothing items you were talking about in this thread.

[~Ra~]

I can no longer afford the type of clothes that I want.
I really adore tight-lacing corsets and victorian fashion. I always have since I was a child, so I have a preference for that kind of clothing. However, I also really love PVC, and if I could ever afford it, latex.

I'm going to be designing my own clothing and I draw inspiration from many different areas. Mainly: Deconstructed, Fetish, Victorian/Romantic, Cute (But not Lolita) would be what you could classify my "taste" and "style" as.

[GOREgeouslyDecorated]

Like Ra, I can no longer afford the clothes I want either, but I generally like to mix and match - I pretty much just wear what I think looks good on me and what I think is cute whether it be 'gothy' or 'punk rock' or whatever people want to call it...

[Draco1958]

Maybe we should start our own Goodwill collection of stuff we can no longer wear but is still good and let others either have it or buy it at a low price. Just a thought.

[Saephyr]

My chubby then firm ass keeps chanign sizes due to many issues so I WON'T buy anything full price for a whie until my damned bod makes up my mind :confused :doh

[Fierce Critter]

You really have to be willing to search & get creative if you want to dress to the 9's on a tight budget.

The outfit I had on Saturday was pretty typically CC goth. Poofy tulle skirt, leather corset, fishnet shirt, fishnet tights, boots, rhumba panties and a massive hair fall.

I paid $90 for the corset from Alter Ego Erotics on eBay, great quality for the price. Note that she puts up so many duplicates at the same time, it's almost never necessary to pay the higher buy-it-now price, because there's rarely ever multiple bids on each piece.

I think I got the boots on clearance at Hot Topic for about $38.

I lucked out and got the tights, which are Spanx that ordinarily sell for $26 for only $2.99 by contacting an eBay seller directly when I saw I'd missed out on another pair that went for that much. They had another pair left and I got them for the $2.99 plus $2.00 shipping.

The fishnet shirt I got from Hot Topic's website on clearance for about $5.

The tulle skirt? A yard-sale find for maybe $5.00. Added a layer of black tull on top for about $4.00.

And I made the hair fall myself. Not exactly sure how much I paid for all the hair & other parts I put into it. But I know I didn't pay the $125 similar ones were going for online.

Oh, and I made my rhumba panties myself from a pair of underwear I got from Wal-Mart for about $7.00 for a package of 2, and red lace I got for about $3.00.

Ya gotta take time, get creative, and hunt, hunt, hunt.

[~Ra~]

You really have to be willing to search & get creative if you want to dress to the 9's on a tight budget.

The outfit I had on Saturday was pretty typically CC goth. Poofy tulle skirt, leather corset, fishnet shirt, fishnet tights, boots, rhumba panties and a massive hair fall.

I paid $90 for the corset from Alter Ego Erotics on eBay, great quality for the price. Note that she puts up so many duplicates at the same time, it's almost never necessary to pay the higher buy-it-now price, because there's rarely ever multiple bids on each piece.

I think I got the boots on clearance at Hot Topic for about $38.

I lucked out and got the tights, which are Spanx that ordinarily sell for $26 for only $2.99 by contacting an eBay seller directly when I saw I'd missed out on another pair that went for that much. They had another pair left and I got them for the $2.99 plus $2.00 shipping.

The fishnet shirt I got from Hot Topic's website on clearance for about $5.

The tulle skirt? A yard-sale find for maybe $5.00. Added a layer of black tull on top for about $4.00.

And I made the hair fall myself. Not exactly sure how much I paid for all the hair & other parts I put into it. But I know I didn't pay the $125 similar ones were going for online.

Oh, and I made my rhumba panties myself from a pair of underwear I got from Wal-Mart for about $7.00 for a package of 2, and red lace I got for about $3.00.

Ya gotta take time, get creative, and hunt, hunt, hunt.

I finally found the AlterEgo corsets, and I was really happy! I bought one and it's on its way.

[Hellion]

I have always liked the idea that I look like myself and not typical,and will continue to look
and be myself for good.let alone I make some of the stuff I wear,and have plans on making more goth
stuff in the furure.

[Fierce Critter]

I finally found the AlterEgo corsets, and I was really happy! I bought one and it's on its way.

Ooh - share! Which one did you get?

I don't like my black one anymore. Gonna have to shop for a new one, and sell this one. But I'm waiting for her to come out with some new underbusts I plan to buy near the end of the month, if she's on schedule.

[~Ra~]

Ooh - share! Which one did you get?

I don't like my black one anymore. Gonna have to shop for a new one, and sell this one. But I'm waiting for her to come out with some new underbusts I plan to buy near the end of the month, if she's on schedule.

I got the black patent leather sweetheart victorian (18" because I heard leather can stretch after awhile... I usually wear a 20", my natural waist is 24"). I was in the market for a sweetheart victorian, and I have a passion for shiny, so there it was, love at first sight.

AZAC actually has some clearance corsets up on ebay right now. There's a nice underbust for $80. I wish I had $80, I'd get that too. X_X